Pioneer Splits from PAC, How Does this Affect Onkyo AVRs?

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Trebdp83

Audioholic Spartan
Yes, it is all quite unbalanced. Washington D.C. is currently the world’s biggest whore house.

They’ve done quite a good job at convincing the American people that all of the nation’s problems are the fault of the other party while members of both in office profit from all of the mayhem.

But, with many Americans being self absorbed, ignorant, greedy lard asses, should they not be represented by the poster child of self absorbed, ignorant, greedy lard asses?

The USA has the world’s worst addiction problem. Just pick one. The American people treat their own country like a casino. They know it is rigged but are convinced they will eventually hit the jackpot and don’t want that casino to get demolished until they do so. Hey, have a great weekend everybody!;)
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
Is that like 80% Soundbars & TVs, 19% AVRs, and 1% Separates? :D
Wally World, Costco, Beast Buy and other big box stores sell a lot of TVs and soundbars and I have yet to get good answers to the questions I ask at any of these. They don't hire salespeople, they hire clerks. I haven't gone to a Magnolia store in more than ten years but the 'expert' they sent to a house where I was working didn't know the products very well.

TBH, I can understand wanting simplicity, in light of the problems I'm having with a Harmony remote that I programmed for a customer in 2016. It suddenly stopped finding the hub and Harmony has ended phone tech support, so they have been absolutely no help. I did find that I can create a new account and add equipment & activities, but it's the last time I will spend this much time with one of theirs. Mine work fine, but if I have the same problems, they'll be posted on FB marketplace, ebay, etc.

Priorities change for people and as a dealer/installer, I can't see butting heads if someone wants to keep it simple- it's not my house, after all.
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
Sure but almost none of the manufacturing is in the USA now...

Like many industries it has become a service industry... and the actual "making" of stuff is elsewhere.

With R&D and Education compromised in the USA - the development structures, the base for developing new technologies and products, is shifting... massive rise in China - Europe static, USA on strong downward trend.

Over time that shifts things - much support has already shifted (where are the call centers!)

As parts of the USA continue their trajectory towards third world status, there may come a time when the large corporations decide the labour costs are sufficiently low to bring manufacturing back.... but that doesn't happen through Trumpian Tariffs overnight - that is more of a generational process.... 10 year timelines are probably the minimum...
It's not the mass-marketed stuff that's made in the US- more often something tweaky.

Watch or listen to Mike Rowe's comments about his foundation and the need for kids to learn trade work. His stats are scary, especially since I work alongside of many tradespeople- workers are aging out, leaving because they can make more on their own, moving up the company food chain, dying, etc- the US has a skills deficit that will take decades to catch up, if ever. Being able to diagnose problems and general troubleshooting makes it possible to avoid being a victim of sleazy companies, people just aren't learning to do this and parents didn't do this, so they can't be their kids' teacher. Schools stopped teaching it and they only started again fairly recently, because of interest in robotics and STEM (which we ALREADY had). I think Mythbusters raised peoples' interest and curiosity but most people don't seem to be curious enough to bother to look into anything technical on their own.

This is the result of government using "Look! A Squirrel!" to divert peoples' attention while they were screwing us.
 
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eliteman

Audiophyte
I can only speak for what I saw and experienced in Australia, but PAC were pathetic when it came to Pioneer. I feel they were least interested in the brand and even when it came to the Hi Fi shows here, there was never an active demonstration, and it got worse over the years. First it was static displays, very little information on Pioneer products and then finally Pioneer products were no longer at the show, but there was always Onkyo operating and of course Klipsch. Even when I spoke to them about purchasing a new AV receiver, there was never any will to help. Speaking with one of their ex-employees here, he told me there was never any interest in Pioneer and that the push was always going to be Onkyo and he also went on to tell me that certain tech, such as issues with HDMI boards on Onkyo products, were finally sorted with the help of the acquisition of Pioneer. He also went on to use Jamo as an example. He said to me, they owned Jamo for years and do you see them anymore. Good point, as Jamo has just disappeared here in Australia. I understand the challenges of manufacturing and selling in a highly competitive market, but if you are going to do it, you have to do it yourself. No one cares for your brand like the company cares for its brand, although in Pioneer's case I wonder. I wrote to Pioneer Japan and informed them that they were being poorly represented here, but I'm just a voice in the wilderness. You can see clearly that all the guys and girls at PAC, locally anyway, were more interested in partying and having their pictures taken, rather than talking to genuine customers. Me; I'm glad these days are over, and I hope that Pioneer gathers itself and dose itself, the brand and its loyal customer base, the justice it deserves.
 
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dlaloum

Senior Audioholic
I can only speak for what I saw and experienced in Australia, but PAC were pathetic when it came to Pioneer. I feel they were least interested in the brand and even when it came to the Hi Fi shows here, there was never an active demonstration, and it got worse over the years. First it was static displays, very little information on Pioneer products and then finally Pioneer products were no longer at the show, but there was always Onkyo operating and of course Klipsch. Even when I spoke to them about purchasing a new AV receiver, there was never any will to help. Speaking with one of their ex-employees here, he told me there was never any interest in Pioneer and that the push was always going to be Onkyo and he also went on to tell me that certain tech, such as issues with HDMI boards on Onkyo products, were finally sorted with the help of the acquisition of Pioneer. He also went on to use Jamo as an example. He said to me, they owned Jamo for years and do you see them anymore. Good point, as Jamo has just disappeared here in Australia. I understand the challenges of manufacturing and selling in a highly competitive market, but if you are going to do it, you have to do it yourself. No one cares for your brand like the company cares for its brand, although in Pioneer's case I wonder. I wrote to Pioneer Japan and informed them that they were being poorly represented here, but I'm just a voice in the wilderness. You can see clearly that all the guys and girls at PAC, locally anyway, were more interested in partying and having their pictures taken, rather than talking to genuine customers. Me; I'm glad these days are over, and I hope that Pioneer gathers itself and dose itself, the brand and its loyal customer base, the justice it deserves.
The PAC people in Australia were a seriously problematic and unethical bunch - they screwed their previous employer, taking customer lists and details etc... then set up PAC Australia.... ultimately, I believe that PAC international sacked them and ended up taking control.

The least you can say about them was that they were unprofessional.

I'm hoping we have much better PAC management in Aus now...
 
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