...Sounds like I may be in the market for new main speakers!

[lovinthehd]

"Except that isn't "half" ...I dont care. if it shows about half on the level display or knob; its about half. Argue about it with Denon if you want.

"Flat" refers to no user selected frequency related equalization...
I gave away the o'scope decades ago so I have implemented no delays at this time; and unless something becomes obvious when listening, I don't intend to.

Enjoy!

It's just not the best way to describe your use. Flat usually refers to flat frequency response, not the lack of eq to get there. Why aren't you setting delays (distance)? Sony never had Audyssey either.

 

[Kingnoob]

Are you sure it was a Sony AVR, I've never known them to have anything but their own proprietary room.EQ?

This one sure does not have Audessy.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_158AZ1KES/Sony-ES-STR-AZ1000ES.html?tp=179

 

[Happy Joe]

Wow. So now you've blown a total of 2 different speakers in the last few years?

I've owned many speakers in the last 30+ years, and I've never blown a single speaker.

So you might just get a speaker that offers unconditional repairs.

No, two speakers; one that I listened to, enjoyably and without problems, for twenty years; Have any of your speaker systems been in continuous use for 20 year, or longer? blew.
and another that Polk agrees is covered under warranty have distortion issues/blew.
...as noted those birds are flown and the is no sense in belaboring an expired equine...

Just for user interest I asked for the cost of one of polk's 6.5" mid-range drivers, if it wasn't covered by warranty and they said $65.... surprisingly reasonable, IMO. (other than the "turbine cone (the speaker motor is nearly identical with one of the mids that I have in stock, for potential builds.
In the roughly 60 years that I have spend dealing with home audio I may have contributed to 2 drivers' failure; ...Honestly.

This will be the first warranty repair that I have ever participated in...

Enjoy!

 

[Happy Joe]

This one sure does not have Audessy.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_158AZ1KES/Sony-ES-STR-AZ1000ES.html?tp=179

You could be right; I don't remember that is was Audessy; I t could easily have been a proprietary sony product... And given my successful implementation of Audessey I am, now, doubting their involvement;...
Sorry for any misinformation.
And thanx for straightening out my misunderstanding.

Enjoy!

 

[Happy Joe]

It's just not the best way to describe your use. Flat usually refers to flat frequency response, not the lack of eq to get there. Why aren't you setting delays (distance)? Sony never had Audyssey either.

Is there a nit that you won't pick?
I am setting distances but there is another setting in the Denon control software that specifies delay (something to do with bass or subwoofers, if i recall correctly (and the chances of that get slimmer every day...)... My first high quality subwoofer is due tomorrow RBH so I will likely encounter the delay setting.... soon.
I am, now, pretty sure that it was NOT Audyssey,

Enjoy!

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

No, two speakers; one that I listened to, enjoyably and without problems, for twenty years, partially blew,
and another that POpolk agrees is covered under warranty has distortion issues .

Just for user interest I asked for the cost of one of polks' 6.5" drivers, if it wasn't covered by waranty and they said $65.
In the roughly 60 years that I have spend dealing with home audio I may have contributed to 2 drivers' failure; ...Honestly.

Enjoy!

$65 is definitely a lot cheaper than buying new speakers.

 

[Happy Joe]

$65 is definitely a lot cheaper than buying new speakers.

I agree; and will, definitely have to revisit my description which was based on a short term failure.
...although I still like SVS; Those $2k beauties still look interesting; even more than the $1k speakers...

Enjoy!

 

[lovinthehd]

Is there a nit that you won't pick?
I am setting distances but there is another setting in the Denon control software that specifies delay (something to do with bass or subwoofers, if i recall correctly (and the chances of that get slimmer every day...)... My first high quality subwoofer is due tomorrow RBH so I will likely encounter the delay setting.... soon.
I am, now, pretty sure that it was NOT Audyssey,

Enjoy!

Just trying to understand what you're saying. Distance is just another term for delay, and is applcable to all channels...not sure what that other delay for a sub is particularly, not sure what the connection with a new sub would be particularly outside of that. Sony uses their own DCAC for their auto setup/eq program.

 

[Matt34]

JBL HDI 3600 on sale for $2k

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I agree; and will, definitely have to revisit my description which was based on a short term failure.
...although I still like SVS; Those $2k beauties still look interesting; even more than the $1k speakers...

Enjoy!

So far everything I’ve seen here seems like a lateral move from the R700. Now if you’re going to the 3.5K range for the RBH 8300 towers, that’s another story.

 

[Happy Joe]

The speaker/toy budget is about shot for the summer; It will be at least fall, before the toy/mad-money budget will withstand an upgrade...
I need to do a lot of research and make up my mind before then... but a 3.5 to $4k set of mains should/would not be unreasonable.
... the r700s could be shifted to rear duty...and the NHTs could; finally, be retired.

... Honestly; my ears are aging and I am much less able to distinguish some of the finer differences between speakers; so I may not be able to hear the difference if exposed to truly great speakers... age and life happens; just wait a while...

Enjoy!

 

[j_garcia]

I think you're going to need a bigger amp.

 

[Kingnoob]

The speaker/toy budget is about shot for the summer; It will be at least fall, before the toy/mad-money budget will withstand an upgrade...
I need to do a lot of research and make up my mind before then... but a 3.5 to $4k set of mains should/would not be unreasonable.
... the r700s could be shifted to rear duty...and the NHTs could; finally, be retired.

... Honestly; my ears are aging and I am much less able to distinguish some of the finer differences between speakers; so I may not be able to hear the difference if exposed to truly great speakers... age and life happens; just wait a while...

Enjoy!

Have you tried the NHTs as mains since you fixed them?

I think you're going to need a bigger amp.

Crown XLI800 could had blown the mids?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

The speaker/toy budget is about shot for the summer; It will be at least fall, before the toy/mad-money budget will withstand an upgrade...
I need to do a lot of research and make up my mind before then... but a 3.5 to $4k set of mains should/would not be unreasonable.
... the r700s could be shifted to rear duty...and the NHTs could; finally, be retired.

... Honestly; my ears are aging and I am much less able to distinguish some of the finer differences between speakers; so I may not be able to hear the difference if exposed to truly great speakers... age and life happens; just wait a while...

Enjoy!

Yeah, if you don’t have a comfortable budget, then just keep what you have, instead of making lateral moves. Spend $65 on the driver. Call it a day.

 

[Happy Joe]

Yeah, if you don’t have a comfortable budget, then just keep what you have, instead of making lateral moves. Spend $65 on the driver. Call it a day.

... The driver is covered under the warranty; Free.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

... The driver is covered under the warranty; Free.

There you go. Even better.

 

[Happy Joe]

Have you tried the NHTs as mains since you fixed them?

Crown XLI800 could had blown the mids?

Have you tried the NHTs as mains since you fixed them?
Nope, I have been a bit busy and am paranoid about them (30 watt mid range drivers)...
They are living and performing well as rear speakers.

I changed out the Polk driver for a generic midrange from stock that except for the "turbo pattern" in the cone seems very similar... sounds ok.... as an interim fix.

I rate, as unlikely, that the crown amp could have blown the mid; first the speakers are rated for 300 watts and so is the Crown.
Second the crown was never maxed out and likely never will be. The gain settings are at roughly 60% and I don't expect to change them (this amp is basically a "set and forget").

Enjoy!