Ukraine – Russia … not more of the last thread

highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Yep, that is a great attitude. Too bad many do not have that.
I was at their house yesterday and during a conversation with the wallpaper hangers, heard something about Republicans vs MAGA Republicans- it was all cordial and I have never been able to pin down their political position because of a reference to a 'screaming liberal' at one point. They may be Centrist and vary their opinions based on the issue but I think they're Democrat, because of where the family is based.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
Trump has banned Britain from sharing US intelligence with Ukraine. Despicable.

>>>The United States has banned Britain from sharing intelligence from Washington with Ukraine as part of its withdrawal of support for Volodymyr Zelensky.

Donald Trump's decision to freeze American military aid to Kyiv yesterday brought warnings that Ukraine could run out of weapons in as little as two to three months' time.

But on top of missiles and ammunition, all UK intelligence agencies and military outlets also received an order expressly forbidding the sharing of US-generated intelligence, previously known as 'Rel UKR' - short for Releasable to Ukraine'.

Since the conflict began three years ago, the UK and other Western security partners such as Australia and New Zealand have shared such knowledge with Ukraine.

But the Mail has learnt the top-level security classification has now been removed by the United States pending further notification and is likely to impact upon Kyiv's ability to defend itself against Russia's continuing onslaught.

The ban affects the likes of the UK's GCHQ, the spy agencies and intelligence branches of the Ministry of Defence.

Last night, UK military intelligence expert Phil Ingram told the Mail: 'The United States's instruction to stop allies sharing US-derived intelligence with Ukraine is what I would expect.

'The US's intelligence partners, including Britain, have had their authority to pass on intelligence revoked.
...<<<

 
Steve81

Steve81

A character with character
Trump has banned Britain from sharing US intelligence with Ukraine. Despicable.
Par for the course at this point. John Mulaney had a pretty good analogy during his first admin: we’ve got a horse in the hospital. We have no idea how he got there; we have no idea what he’s going to do, and neither does he. Balance of probability is that it won’t be anything terribly helpful though.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Trump has banned Britain from sharing US intelligence with Ukraine. Despicable.

>>>The United States has banned Britain from sharing intelligence from Washington with Ukraine as part of its withdrawal of support for Volodymyr Zelensky.

Donald Trump's decision to freeze American military aid to Kyiv yesterday brought warnings that Ukraine could run out of weapons in as little as two to three months' time.

But on top of missiles and ammunition, all UK intelligence agencies and military outlets also received an order expressly forbidding the sharing of US-generated intelligence, previously known as 'Rel UKR' - short for Releasable to Ukraine'.

Since the conflict began three years ago, the UK and other Western security partners such as Australia and New Zealand have shared such knowledge with Ukraine.

But the Mail has learnt the top-level security classification has now been removed by the United States pending further notification and is likely to impact upon Kyiv's ability to defend itself against Russia's continuing onslaught.

The ban affects the likes of the UK's GCHQ, the spy agencies and intelligence branches of the Ministry of Defence.

Last night, UK military intelligence expert Phil Ingram told the Mail: 'The United States's instruction to stop allies sharing US-derived intelligence with Ukraine is what I would expect.

'The US's intelligence partners, including Britain, have had their authority to pass on intelligence revoked.
...<<<

And how will US know when they pass it along?
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
France is continuing to share intelligence data with Ukraine as France have their own spy satellites.

>>>France is already sharing its intelligence data with Ukraine and will also accelerate various aid packages it provides to Ukraine.

French Minister of the Armed Forces Sébastien Lecornu stated this on Thursday morning on France Inter, as reported by Ukrinform.

"The assistance of American agencies on satellite observation, everything that can be done, has been suspended since yesterday [Wednesday] afternoon," he confirmed.
Lecornu emphasized that French intelligence operates independently and shares its data with Ukraine. “Our intelligence is sovereign… with capabilities that are specific to us, so we have intelligence resources, which we share with the Ukrainians," he said.

Regarding the compensation for the suspension of U.S. military aid, the minister assured that Ukrainians know how to manage their reserves. In addition, France will accelerate its assistance.

"The President of the Republic asked me to accelerate the various French aid packages because, we Europeans, we cannot be in the declaratory, we must also be in the acts and allow to come segment by segment to compensate the American aid that would no longer arrive," he explained. ...<<<

 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Warlord
"Coming from a source, on condition of anonymity....".
When Ukraine acts on intelligence they aren't supposed to have, that will be the tell. The first one or two times may be chalked up to coincidence, but if the Ukrainians seem too prepared for numerous Russian ops, it would become clear that intel is being passed on.
 
D

David_Alexander

Junior Audioholic
President Trumpski & Elon Muskovite. Your President as a Russian operative

This has been printed by the author but this is an interview which is concise. This has been checked out and he's a reputable author.


For balance, here's another link from LBC

A British radio station where a former UK intelligence officer poo-poos the direct Russian asset theory. But that still leaves 2 ways to go. Trump is either a Russian asset, bought and sold, or is so dumb that he can do Russia bidding all on his ownski.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Perhaps compromising video from that beauty pageant in Moscow he produced? Golden showers? and more?
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
A new French spy satellite is in orbit delivered by the new European Ariana 6 rocket. Timely as we need European capabilities and not be dependent on the whims of a ketamine addict Musk or a senile malignant narcissist Trump.

>>>Europe's Ariane 6 rocket lifted off Thursday from French Guiana and deployed a high-resolution reconnaissance satellite into orbit for the French military, notching a success on its first operational flight.

The 184-foot-tall (56-meter) rocket lifted off from Kourou, French Guiana, at 11:24 am EST (16:24 UTC). Twin solid-fueled boosters and a hydrogen-fueled core stage engine powered the Ariane 6 through thick clouds on an arcing trajectory north from the spaceport on South America's northeastern coast.

The rocket shed its strap-on boosters a little more than two minutes into the flight, then jettisoned its core stage nearly eight minutes after liftoff. The spent rocket parts fell into the Atlantic Ocean. The upper stage's Vinci engine ignited two times to reach a nearly circular polar orbit about 500 miles (800 kilometers) above the Earth. A little more than an hour after launch, the Ariane 6 upper stage deployed CSO-3, a sharp-eyed French military spy satellite, to begin a mission providing optical surveillance imagery to French intelligence agencies and military forces.

"This is an absolute pleasure for me today to announce that Ariane 6 has successfully placed into orbit the CSO-3 satellite," said David Cavaillolès, who took over in January as CEO of Arianespace, the Ariane 6's commercial operator. "Today, here in Kourou, we can say that thanks to Ariane 6, Europe and France have their own autonomous access to space back, and this is great news." ...<<<

 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
A new French spy satellite is in orbit delivered by the new European Ariana 6 rocket. Timely as we need European capabilities and not be dependent on the whims of a ketamine addict Musk or a senile malignant narcissist Trump.

>>>Europe's Ariane 6 rocket lifted off Thursday from French Guiana and deployed a high-resolution reconnaissance satellite into orbit for the French military, notching a success on its first operational flight.

The 184-foot-tall (56-meter) rocket lifted off from Kourou, French Guiana, at 11:24 am EST (16:24 UTC). Twin solid-fueled boosters and a hydrogen-fueled core stage engine powered the Ariane 6 through thick clouds on an arcing trajectory north from the spaceport on South America's northeastern coast.

The rocket shed its strap-on boosters a little more than two minutes into the flight, then jettisoned its core stage nearly eight minutes after liftoff. The spent rocket parts fell into the Atlantic Ocean. The upper stage's Vinci engine ignited two times to reach a nearly circular polar orbit about 500 miles (800 kilometers) above the Earth. A little more than an hour after launch, the Ariane 6 upper stage deployed CSO-3, a sharp-eyed French military spy satellite, to begin a mission providing optical surveillance imagery to French intelligence agencies and military forces.

"This is an absolute pleasure for me today to announce that Ariane 6 has successfully placed into orbit the CSO-3 satellite," said David Cavaillolès, who took over in January as CEO of Arianespace, the Ariane 6's commercial operator. "Today, here in Kourou, we can say that thanks to Ariane 6, Europe and France have their own autonomous access to space back, and this is great news." ...<<<

Glad to hear Europe is becoming more focused on 'their' responsibilities .........
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
Glad to hear Europe is becoming more focused on 'their' responsibilities .........
Indeed, and buying European instead of American where possible. So with the big re-arming in EU most of it will be locally produced along with further development on replacing American systems.
 
N

nicoleise

Junior Audioholic
Perfect opportunity for European NATO members to grow up, show some spine and stand on their own feet. Too long they have depended on US goodwill and largess. Time for US to cut them lose too. Europe should take the lead in NATO and US should be the back up if/when needed.
This is grossly oversimplified and frankly insulting.

The US has called upon its allies to help with it's military engagements the world over countless times. Every time, Denmark (for one) responded.

Our entire defence sector was converted for this purpose; special forces, light reactionary forces, multi purpose frigates, etc.

We didn't buy hundreds of tanks, because the needs the US (exclusively) asked of us were not tanks.

Because the need wasn't to defend Denmarks physical borders, the need was to go to Afghanistan and Iraq to help the US with your battles there. And remember just how short time ago we were all still in Iraq? In the context of changing an entire army, it was seconds ago.

Obviously all this took place expecting the NATO treaties (and others) to be honoured, to allow for this vulnerability to exist in the first place. And with an understanding that a small country like Denmark can't do both.

We could obviously have responded differently. We could have said "Nope, you have fun in the big sand box, we'd love to join, but we need to buy tanks and bunkers. But we do sympathise with your losses, too bad about 9/11. We wish you the best of luck."


If we had done that, your post wouldn't be remotely relevant because we would have prioritised our own defense.

But from a US point of view, would that have been any better, knowing that Denmark per capita suffered the same losses as the US did in those conflicts?


A substantial portion of our defense spendings were spent directly supporting the US in armed conflicts. Just as you now see us spending by far the most on supporting Ukraine directly (over 2% of our GDP).

Again, we could buy tanks and park them in garages, but they would only make a difference if we were invaded. Instead, we put our money where the need is.

Hopefully this illustrates why military alliances shouldn't be reduced to simple statements?


Don't get me wrong, the EU needs to, and is, stepping it up. And all things point to the defence strategically being anchored in the EU rather than NATO in the future. How this is a win for the US, I cannot see though?

Especially not when Trump managed to alienate essentially everyone, and thus essentially write the US out of the equation in what is likely the largest defense purchase of a high number of US allies all at the same time.

This could - in real terms, not just in Trumps head - have been a trillion dollar deal for the US easily. Many European countries bought US equipment (Denmark for example bought F16 and is replacing them with F35 currently being commissioned and deployed). But no European government can realistically suggest touching equipment that the US essentially controls with a ten foot pole now, if some alternative exists.

But of course, this - like many other things - is more of a biproduct. I simply felt your simplified post lacks taking a bunch of things into account.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
This is grossly oversimplified and frankly insulting.

The US has called upon its allies to help with it's military engagements the world over countless times. Every time, Denmark (for one) responded.

Our entire defence sector was converted for this purpose; special forces, light reactionary forces, multi purpose frigates, etc.

We didn't buy hundreds of tanks, because the needs the US (exclusively) asked of us were not tanks.

Because the need wasn't to defend Denmarks physical borders, the need was to go to Afghanistan and Iraq to help the US with your battles there. And remember just how short time ago we were all still in Iraq? In the context of changing an entire army, it was seconds ago.

Obviously all this took place expecting the NATO treaties (and others) to be honoured, to allow for this vulnerability to exist in the first place. And with an understanding that a small country like Denmark can't do both.

We could obviously have responded differently. We could have said "Nope, you have fun in the big sand box, we'd love to join, but we need to buy tanks and bunkers. But we do sympathise with your losses, too bad about 9/11. We wish you the best of luck."


If we had done that, your post wouldn't be remotely relevant because we would have prioritised our own defense.

But from a US point of view, would that have been any better, knowing that Denmark per capita suffered the same losses as the US did in those conflicts?


A substantial portion of our defense spendings were spent directly supporting the US in armed conflicts. Just as you now see us spending by far the most on supporting Ukraine directly (over 2% of our GDP).

Again, we could buy tanks and park them in garages, but they would only make a difference if we were invaded. Instead, we put our money where the need is.

Hopefully this illustrates why military alliances shouldn't be reduced to simple statements?


Don't get me wrong, the EU needs to, and is, stepping it up. And all things point to the defence strategically being anchored in the EU rather than NATO in the future. How this is a win for the US, I cannot see though?

Especially not when Trump managed to alienate essentially everyone, and thus essentially write the US out of the equation in what is likely the largest defense purchase of a high number of US allies all at the same time.

This could - in real terms, not just in Trumps head - have been a trillion dollar deal for the US easily. Many European countries bought US equipment (Denmark for example bought F16 and is replacing them with F35 currently being commissioned and deployed). But no European government can realistically suggest touching equipment that the US essentially controls with a ten foot pole now, if some alternative exists.

But of course, this - like many other things - is more of a biproduct. I simply felt your simplified post lacks taking a bunch of things into account.
I agree with you. You should read his post in the context that he is against supporting Ukraine.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
That said, with Trump in power dominating Congress I do think that Poland should get their own nukes. Sadly, that adds to the nuclear proliferation and makes our world less secure.
Poland wants nukes now:

>>>Poland will look at gaining access to nuclear weapons and also ensure that every man undergoes military training as part of an effort to build a 500,000-strong army to face off the threat from Russia, Prime Minister Donald Tusk told the parliament on Friday.

Poland's dramatic military expansion comes as fears grow across Europe that U.S. President Donald Trump is aligning with the Kremlin and turning his back on America's traditional western alliances — a geopolitical shift that Warsaw regards as a potentially existential threat.

Tusk said that Poland "is talking seriously" with France about being protected by the French nuclear umbrella. President Emmanuel Macron has opened the possibility of other countries discussing how France’s nuclear deterrent can protect Europe.

Tusk also stressed that Poland cannot restrict itself to conventional weapons.

"We must be aware that Poland must reach for the most modern capabilities also related to nuclear weapons and modern unconventional weapons ... this is a race for security, not for war,"
he said.

He pointed to the example of Ukraine, which gave up is nuclear arsenal and is now being attacked by Russia. ...<<< (emphasis added)

 
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