Can we have a rational discussion about guns and why the typical arguments for gun control and its implementation won't work?

[Trell]

40mm grenade launchers have been legal via ATF Form 1 and a $200 tax stamp. Furthermore the actual grenades are also completely legal (in most states) via the same process but after firing it you would need to notify the ATF of the grenades destruction via using it making it silly to bother buying them. Now someone in manufacturing stainless steel shell casings that use 45 ACP primers and include instructions for a binary explosive. Several people have already had them approved by the ATF. Now you can legally own a 40mm grande launcher and ammo and reload it forever.

I just may need one of these… just no crossing State lines with it

Completely bonkers with grenade launchers!

I got some tales about Sweden handles hand grenades until they banned them recently but we still live with that as bombing in Sweden is similar to a war zone, no kidding and no joke! We got daily bombings, literally.

 

[mtrycrafts]

40mm grenade launchers have been legal via ATF Form 1 and a $200 tax stamp. Furthermore the actual grenades are also completely legal (in most states) via the same process but after firing it you would need to notify the ATF of the grenades destruction via using it making it silly to bother buying them. Now someone in manufacturing stainless steel shell casings that use 45 ACP primers and include instructions for a binary explosive. Several people have already had them approved by the ATF. Now you can legally own a 40mm grande launcher and ammo and reload it forever.

I just may need one of these… just no crossing State lines with it

Interesting search results:

are 40mm grenade launchers legal with an ATF form 1 - Google Search

 

[TankTop5]

Interesting search results:

are 40mm grenade launchers legal with an ATF form 1 - Google Search

Directly from ATF.gov

“
When a gas/flare gun is possessed with “anti-personnel” type ammunition, it clearly becomes an
instrument of offensive or defensive combat and is capable of use as a weapon. Since these
gas/flare guns have a bore diameter of greater than one-half inch, fire a projectile by the means
of an explosive, and, when possessed with “anti-personnel” ammunition, are capable of use as
weapons, the combination of the gas/flare gun and “anti-personnel” ammunition is a destructive
device as defined in the GCA and NFA. As a result, registration as a destructive device is
required. Any person possessing a gas/flare gun with which “anti-personnel” ammunition will
be used must register the making of a destructive device prior to the acquisition of any “anti-
personnel” ammunition. In addition, the gas/flare guns are classified as firearms as defined by
the GCA when possessed with “anti-personnel” type ammunition.”

And people are worried about bump stocks… lol

 

[mtrycrafts]

Directly from ATF.gov

“
When a gas/flare gun is possessed with “anti-personnel” type ammunition, it clearly becomes an
instrument of offensive or defensive combat and is capable of use as a weapon. Since these
gas/flare guns have a bore diameter of greater than one-half inch, fire a projectile by the means
of an explosive, and, when possessed with “anti-personnel” ammunition, are capable of use as
weapons, the combination of the gas/flare gun and “anti-personnel” ammunition is a destructive
device as defined in the GCA and NFA. As a result, registration as a destructive device is
required. Any person possessing a gas/flare gun with which “anti-personnel” ammunition will
be used must register the making of a destructive device prior to the acquisition of any “anti-
personnel” ammunition. In addition, the gas/flare guns are classified as firearms as defined by
the GCA when possessed with “anti-personnel” type ammunition.”

And people are worried about bump stocks… lol

Tell that to the Reno/Vegas crowd that was mowed down with its use a number of years ago.

 

[Mikado463]

what's good for the goose, is good for the gander ...........

MSN

 

[Dude#1279435]

what's good for the goose, is good for the gander ...........

MSN

Makes a certain sense. Self-protection against the MAGA nuts.

 

[highfigh]

Makes a certain sense. Self-protection against the MAGA nuts.

I'm soooo surprised Harris laughed about this......the way she laughs about EVERYTHING!

Yeah, because MAGA nuts are doing all of the killing.......Bullshyte!

Have you actually read the FBI stats on who kills, how, who their victims are, mental health status, locations, weapons of choice and reasons?

Mass shooting is said to have occurred when three or more are shot- that happens on a daily basis in larger cities, usually by people who knew the victims and because of some kind of stupid argument.

 

[Trell]

Mexico is less than happy (to put it mildly) with US weapons manufacturers and, if Mexico gets tired of the US justice system getting them exactly nowhere, perhaps they could get inspiration from the Trump Proposed Launching Missiles Into Mexico to ‘Destroy the Drug Labs?

The US 2nd amendment as interpreted by the Republican supreme court is a cancer that cost so many lives and suffering in US as well as abroad.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/04/politics/supreme-court-orders-mexico-gun-violence-workplace-discrimination-nuclear-fuel-storage/index.html

 

[Dude#1279435]

I'm soooo surprised Harris laughed about this......the way she laughs about EVERYTHING!

Yeah, because MAGA nuts are doing all of the killing.......Bullshyte!

Have you actually read the FBI stats on who kills, how, who their victims are, mental health status, locations, weapons of choice and reasons?

Mass shooting is said to have occurred when three or more are shot- that happens on a daily basis in larger cities, usually by people who knew the victims and because of some kind of stupid argument.

Reveals the level of BS in your post. Key words: MAGA "nuts." The alt-right etc..... doesn't really require a stat to figure out there's a few MAGA nuts out there who would like to shoot Harris. Trump + escalation of hate = not difficult to figure out.

 

[highfigh]

Reveals the level of BS in your post. Key words: MAGA "nuts." The alt-right etc..... doesn't really require a stat to figure out there's a few MAGA nuts out there who would like to shoot Harris. Trump + escalation of hate = not difficult to figure out.

Show me where I'm wrong. Using "a few Maga nuts who want to shoot Harris'- yeah, that's gonna be a big number. There are always idiots who want to shoot someone but they're just imagining it. If their imagination overlaps into real life, they're not sane. If you would pay attention, you haven't seen me support Maga ot Trump but facts are facts- your opinion isn't fact and WRT "doesn't require a stat"? That's total BS- if you want to make a point, you'll need to back it up with, wait for it, DATA! Otherwise, you're just tossing words out and trying to make people believe it.

The first step in solving a problem is identifying it.

BTW- according to the link, Harris initially revealed that she owned a gun in 2019, but not when she bought it. She wouldn't have been seen as a threat at that time because she had no chance of winning, and if she wants to get rid of weapons that have been used for mass shootings, she could have chosen a different brand- Glocks were used in the "shootings including the murders at Virginia Tech in 2007, at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin in 2012, and at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston in 2015, according to a May 2022 report from the Violence Policy Center." (from the same link)

The Many Meanings of Kamala Harris’s Glock

In a “60 Minutes” interview this week, the vice president shared the kind of gun she owns. Its associations with law enforcement and pop culture make it a potent symbol.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Dude#1279435]

Show me where I'm wrong. Using "a few Maga nuts who want to shoot Harris'- yeah, that's gonna be a big number. There are always idiots who want to shoot someone but they're just imagining it. If their imagination overlaps into real life, they're not sane. If you would pay attention, you haven't seen me support Maga ot Trump but facts are facts- your opinion isn't fact and WRT "doesn't require a stat"? That's total BS- if you want to make a point, you'll need to back it up with, wait for it, DATA! Otherwise, you're just tossing words out and trying to make people believe it.

The first step in solving a problem is identifying it.

BTW- according to the link, Harris initially revealed that she owned a gun in 2019, but not when she bought it. She wouldn't have been seen as a threat at that time because she had no chance of winning, and if she wants to get rid of weapons that have been used for mass shootings, she could have chosen a different brand- Glocks were used in the "shootings including the murders at Virginia Tech in 2007, at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin in 2012, and at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston in 2015, according to a May 2022 report from the Violence Policy Center." (from the same link)

The Many Meanings of Kamala Harris’s Glock

In a “60 Minutes” interview this week, the vice president shared the kind of gun she owns. Its associations with law enforcement and pop culture make it a potent symbol.

www.nytimes.com

Maga nuts as in harassing local govt over Haitians Earing Pets. Or weather conspiracy via MTG. Or threatening court workers over Trump indictments. Or rioters at the Capitol. Or a few lone wolves who would like to kill Harris. They amount to a tiny % of the population, but those Maga nuts.

 

[Trell]

If you would pay attention, you haven't seen me support Maga ot Trump but facts are facts- your opinion isn't fact and WRT "doesn't require a stat"? That's total BS- if you want to make a point, you'll need to back it up with, wait for it, DATA!

Yet over the years several posters have claimed that you’re carrying water for Trump, with the latest one you just replied to.

 

[Mikado463]

Yet over the years several posters have claimed that you’re carrying water for Trump, with the latest one you just replied to.

you do realize that there plenty of us right of center and conservative that are not MAGA Trump lovers don't you ?

 

[Trell]

you do realize that there plenty of us right of center and conservative that are not MAGA Trump lovers don't you ?

You do realize I’ve written so many times that MAGA are not real conservatives but RINOs? But there are many MAGAs hiding in closets claiming to be anti-Trump but still carry his water, don’t you think?

 

[Mikado463]

You do realize I’ve written so many times that MAGA are not real conservatives but RINOs? But there are many MAGAs hiding in closets claiming to be anti-Trump but still carry his water, don’t you think?

No, I don't waste effort or time thinking about that.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Maga nuts as in harassing local govt over Haitians Earing Pets. Or weather conspiracy via MTG. Or threatening court workers over Trump indictments. Or rioters at the Capitol. Or a few lone wolves who would like to kill Harris. They amount to a tiny % of the population, but those Maga nuts.

And now the weather folks are being threatened.
And, on top of this craziness, government agencies have to waste time and money on countering lies.

 

[davidscott]

And the sad thing is that even the sane Republicans who are calling out this mounting disinformation are now being called Rinos and receiving threats. What the hell has MAGA done to the once proud and reasonable GOP?

 

[Dude#1279435]

And now the weather folks are being threatened.
And, on top of this craziness, government agencies have to waste time and money on countering lies.

The weather conspiracy is the most bizarre one yet.

 

[highfigh]

Yet over the years several posters have claimed that you’re carrying water for Trump, with the latest one you just replied to.

And you're included in those who are delusional enough to believe that.

 

[highfigh]

No, I don't waste effort or time thinking about that.

But you waste it posting all kinds of crap- generalizing often results in being wrong.