JD Vance and his military record

[highfigh]

Since when is military service or military experience necessary to qualify to be the President? What kind of experience, public affairs, pilot, front line soldiering, artillery, JAG. Is it in the constitution? Must have missed it.
What else must the candidate/President have experience in, EPA, FCC, FDA, all the departments? No, it is not silly to ask.

You still have a choice who to vote for. Don't vote for her, simple.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything but it sure is being discussed a lot. A lot of POTUS have been lawyers- good for understanding a lot of the aspects of the job, but we all know the "How do you know when a lawyer is lying?" joke, right?

 

[highfigh]

He guided the nation. It isn't POTUS's job to prosecute a war at the front. It's his job to have the right people in the right places. He knew the consequences of Axis victory and pursued a policy of assisting the Allies prior to the US's entry into the war, even while there was a strong isolationist streak in America. He even had to contend with his own ambassador to Great Britain - Joseph Kennedy - who was undermining him by opposing assistance and even secretly meeting with German diplomats. Did you know that American destroyers started to help escort convoys across the Atlantic in September 1941? That was a political decision, not military.

After receiving Einstein's letter warning of German pursuit of an atomic bomb, he understood the gravity of the situation and initiated America's own nuclear weapons program.

So yeah, he did more than you think.

You're right- he did more than I was considering. FDR's guidance of the nation had as much to do with saying the right things, at the right times. An over-reactive POTUS would have landed us in huge trouble but one thing to remember and something some Brits don't want us to forget- the US waited a long time to enter because FDR and some others didn't even want the US involved.

Yeah, Kennedy.........

But Germany had already been attacking commercial shipping during that year and the US sank a German U-boat in Oct of 1941. Maybe it was political in September, but by October, it was military. Germany was closer to the US than many think before the US entered the war. They had done some of the same things during WWI as well and they couldn't just assume Germany would avoid the East Coast and other shipping channels.

Than, there's all of the events that we haven't heard of and probably never will.

 

[GO-NAD!]

You're right- he did more than I was considering. FDR's guidance of the nation had as much to do with saying the right things, at the right times. An over-reactive POTUS would have landed us in huge trouble but one thing to remember and something some Brits don't want us to forget- the US waited a long time to enter because FDR and some others didn't even want the US involved.

Yeah, Kennedy.........

But Germany had already been attacking commercial shipping during that year and the US sank a German U-boat in Oct of 1941. Maybe it was political in September, but by October, it was military. Germany was closer to the US than many think before the US entered the war. They had done some of the same things during WWI as well and they couldn't just assume Germany would avoid the East Coast and other shipping channels.

Than, there's all of the events that we haven't heard of and probably never will.

Just to clear, my point is a military background is not necessarily going to be an asset for a POTUS/VP - they "have people for that".

 

[mtrycrafts]

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Than, there's all of the events that we haven't heard of and probably never will.

If that, how do we know there are others we never heard of and never will, unless it was so highly classified with a century or longer availability.
Maybe there aren't any?

 

[highfigh]

If that, how do we know there are others we never heard of and never will, unless it was so highly classified with a century or longer availability.
Maybe there aren't any?

There's ALWAYS something we haven't been told and to a degree, I think that's necessary because at some point, someone ALWAYS blabs it to a spy, it's overheard in a casual conversation, posts it online, or whatever. People just can't shut their freaking mouths. How many times have we heard "Said under conditions of anonymity"?

 

[highfigh]

Just to clear, my point is a military background is not necessarily going to be an asset for a POTUS/VP - they "have people for that".

Right- hire the best and brightest. Unfortunately, they don't always pick the best. The problem is that they trust whomever they picked and it goes bad. "I'll take Gulf War for a thousand, Alex".

 

[highfigh]

For that matter, McNamara was a poor choice for Defense Secretary, Cheney proved to be dangerous and if diplomacy were attempted now/moving forward, we might have one generation of peace for the US- that hasn't happened since its founding. The problem with this thinking reminds me of what the Day Planner speaker said- "You can make all of the plans you want, but there's one thing to remember- nobody cares about your plans". When countries have a death grip on the idea that "My enemy's enemy is my friend", peace is impossible.

 

[davidscott]

Vance reportedly says that it's OK that Trump dodged with repeated medical deferments, whether for a real or made up condition, BECAUSE... Trump didn't lie about it after the fact.

Let's not forget too that Trump has (repeatedly) insulted POW/MIA and wounded Vets, specifically John McCain, along with allegedly doing so to all such members of our military... comments which have been corroborated by John Kelly and Gen. Milley.

*facepalm

Ding ding ding we have a winner. No one who trashes POWs, veterans who died in previous wars, wounded vets, says that the Presidential Civilian Medal of Honor (given to a rich Trump supporter btw) is "better" than the Military Medal of Honor, brags about avoiding STDs in the 80s being his personal Viet Nam which he actively dodged, and I could go on and on. Also, he tried to divert some military funding for housing to his "wall that Mexico was going to pay for" thankfully that did get overruled. How any Vet in their right mind could vote for this guy is beyond me. This guy should be in prison, not running for president.

 

[ryanosaur]

Ding ding ding we have a winner. No one who trashes POWs, veterans who died in previous wars, wounded vets, says that the Presidential Civilian Medal of Honor (given to a rich Trump supporter btw) is "better" than the Military Medal of Honor, brags about avoiding STDs in the 80s being his personal Viet Nam which he actively dodged, and I could go on and on. Also, he tried to divert some military funding for housing to his "wall that Mexico was going to pay for" thankfully that did get overruled. How any Vet in their right mind is beyond me. This guy should be in prison, not running for president.

There was another article explaining his views on those who serve, alleging that he sees people who join the military as using it as a social handout for meals and housing.

So many problems with this. A strong note here should be made that this is purely a classist view of he (who HAS) against the rest (the HAVE-NOTS).

 

[davidscott]

There was another article explaining his views on those who serve, alleging that he sees people who join the military as using it as a social handout for meals and housing.

So many problems with this. A strong note here should be made that this is purely a classist view of he (who HAS) against the rest (the HAVE-NOTS).

I never saw that, but I'm not surprised. And don't forget that he suggested football coaches would be better leaders than our current military leaders. Tommy Tuberville for Chief of Staff anyone? Talk about destroying our military.

 

[mtrycrafts]

..... personal Viet Nam which he actively dodged, ....

Maybe fraudulently dodged?

 

[mtrycrafts]

There was another article explaining his views on those who serve, alleging that he sees people who join the military as using it as a social handout for meals and housing.

So many problems with this. A strong note here should be made that this is purely a classist view of he (who HAS) against the rest (the HAVE-NOTS).

Not to mention what all he is saying behind closed doors. He even rips his supporters.

Wonder why he hates himself so much.

 

[JerryLove]

If we're going to crap on people for their lack of service or supposed 'they only played Army', why isn't anyone saying anything about Harris? Is Walz supposed to be the "guy with military experience' for her, or will she trust the DOD and Joint Chiefs Of Staff?

We shouldn't crap on people's lack of service unless.

1. *They* bring up / lean on their service (or perhaps call dodging STDs their own personal Vietnam)
2. They attack someone else's service. Calling McCain a "loser" for being captured, or attacking Kerry's service.

Trump has attacked service, and Vance ahs both attacked and leaned on their service.

There is a partial exception to point #2. If the comments on someone's service are in response to them doing #1.

We have a helluva lot going on militarily in various parts of the World and I have serious doubts about her ability to handle them.

And these doubts are based on what?

If the economy and border are going so well, why are the main points of her campaign THE ECONOMY AND THE BORDER?

Because it's on the voter's minds.

I have a question. Is it possible for the economy and border to have issues that should be addressed and simultaneously not be the dystopian disaster that the right is claiming?

We need better candidates.

That's always true for everyone.

 

[JerryLove]

Military experience is not in your constitution as a requirement for the office of President but some people on the very far right are enamoured with military power over civilian life.

The Bible warns of hypocrites who pray in public.

Some people like to wrap themselves in religion or a flag (flag-based clothing is *actually* against proper use of a flag rules).

Sorkin summed this up better than I could.

They love vets. Unless they are democratic vets (Kerry), or homosexual vets (see above); and they sure as hell don't come defend them (McCain) if they disagree with their demagogue.

 

[Mikado463]

And these doubts are based on what?

well she did say in an interview awhile back that she's never been to Europe .....

 

[Trell]

well she did say in an interview awhile back that she's never been to Europe .....

Sigh….

 

[Mikado463]

Sigh….

did you hurt yourself ?

 

[mtrycrafts]

well she did say in an interview awhile back that she's never been to Europe .....

"A while back" can be to birth.
But am sure she has been to Europe and elsewhere overseas since then.

 

[Trell]

"A while back" can be to birth.
But am sure she has been to Europe and elsewhere overseas since then.

Mikado thinks the Europe is the capital of Tokyo.

 

[Mikado463]

Did either one of you two chuckleheads notice the 'wink' emoji ?? do know what the word levity means ??