Maine’s top election official removes Trump from 2024 primary ballot

[jinjuku]

Due process? This is about qualifications, not guilt. Would one need the courts involved if a 32-year-old wants to run or take him to court all the way up for a decision and due process? Oh, this is covered in the 14th amendment. Maybe Arnold should have run after his governorship in CA. Let the people decide.
There is no loss of freedom if removed from ballot, nor any fine to be paid by him, nor anything else. One is qualified first or not.

You do understand the difference, or you should, between this and a bright line distinction.

We have laws on the books that if you are under 21 you can't purchase alcohol. No conviction needed.

 

[jinjuku]

It does when you ask a schoolboard to ban certain books. One group, out of state is doing most of the protests at out of state schoolboard. Volume indeed.

Ban or curation? Last I remember I couldn't get Hustler at my library... Some books probably needed curated some are certainly not, at least in my opinion.

You let me know of any books that have been prevented from general sale and we can talk about 'bans'.

 

[jinjuku]

This does not mean that we are all required to pretend we are morons,

You know the Jury that convicted Timothy Masters probably felt your way...

 

[mtrycrafts]

Hey ahole I never voted for him. But I'm not blind to the incredible amount of windmilling going on. We successfully voted him out. A cudgel used on a goose is equally used on a gander. That's the point.

Well, he was qualified to run in 2020, no insurrection until 2021. Now he is not qualified per the 14th.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Ban or curation? Last I remember I couldn't get Hustler at my library... Some books probably needed curated some are certainly not, at least in my opinion.

You let me know of any books that have been prevented from general sale and we can talk about 'bans'.

This is schoolboards that have a say what is in school libraries, not up for sale in stores. You really don't want to know all that are banned in some schools after that loud, out of state folks badger schoolboard.

 

[jinjuku]

Well, he was qualified to run in 2020, no insurrection until 2021. Now he is not qualified per the 14th.

Ok, since you said so...

 

[mtrycrafts]

You do understand the difference, or you should, between this and a bright line distinction.

We have laws on the books that if you are under 21 you can't purchase alcohol. No conviction needed.

Right. That is not in the constitution though, right? and it is not uniform throughout the country, no? States do that.

 

[lovinthehd]

Ok, since you said so...

14th amendment says so. Or are we going to do some perverse interpretation as with the second amendment?

 

[jinjuku]

This is schoolboards that have a say what is in school libraries, not up for sale in stores. You really don't want to know all that are banned in some schools after that loud, out of state folks badger schoolboard.

You're the one that doesn't understand the difference between curation and banning. I've seen some of the books that were removed from the collection that I don't think belonged there as they are age inappropriate or the subject matter didn't further the goals of a school library. Other books I didn't see the big deal about.

Then we have people tearing down statues of Washington and Christopher Columbus on the other end of the extreme.

 

[jinjuku]

Right. That is not in the constitution though, right? and it is not uniform throughout the country, no? States do that.

21 is a national law btw from 1984. It's also a bright line distinction. Like citizenship and age for obtaining the presidency. The other stuff courts need to figure out.

I feel safer already knowing that you are an armchair attorney however.

 

[lovinthehd]

You're the one that doesn't understand the difference between curation and banning. I've seen some of the books that were removed from the collection that I don't think belonged there as they are age inappropriate or the subject matter didn't further the goals of a school library. Other books I didn't see the big deal about.

Then we have people tearing down statues of Washington and Christopher Columbus on the other end of the extreme.

So just on your say-so? Christopher Columbus statues should be torn down, that was just silly bit of eurocentric history.

 

[jinjuku]

So just on your say-so? Christopher Columbus statues should be torn down, that was just silly bit of eurocentric history.

Ok, and there are some books that certainly shouldn't be in K-12 schools since they are just a silly bit of pornography. Since you agree we are now onto the 'just your say so'.

 

[isolar8001]

I've seen some of the books that were removed from the collection that I don't think belonged there as they are age inappropriate or the subject matter didn't further the goals of a school library.

So...keep some books away from kids that can watch every sexual act on the planet on their phones at recess if they wanted to...very easily ??

 

[mtrycrafts]

Ok, since you said so...

Well, if it was up to me, the final say so, it be over already.
But, we do have a constitution to follow. And it is not my interpretation of it but people who are more than qualified to interpret it, even by conservative expert judges.

 

[lovinthehd]

Ok, and there are some books that certainly shouldn't be in K-12 schools. Since you agree we are now onto the 'just your say so'.

What books are you all up in arms against and in what school libraries particularly did they exist? Is this as big an issue as a transgender using a bathroom has been?

 

[Mr._Clark]

Not sure how this abrogates the due process clause. Again, as I said earlier, this will need to see SCOTUS.

You are acting like I said he did or didn't do something. I'm arguing he's allowed due process.

The 5th Amendment:​

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No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.​

Finding someone is not qualified to be on a ballot is not a criminal proceeding and it does not deprive a person of life liberty or property.

 

[mtrycrafts]

21 is a national law btw from 1984. It's also a bright line distinction. Like citizenship and age for obtaining the presidency. The other stuff courts need to figure out.

I feel safer already knowing that you are an armchair attorney however.

I see, so the drinking age is up for change as people or congress feels for a change.
Where is the law outside of the 14th for age or citizenship, or some other qualification of a president to run? Is it in some federal statute? State laws dictating?
No, I am not an armchair attorney, but I do listen to highly qualified ones.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Finding someone is not qualified to be on a ballot is not a criminal proceeding and it does not deprive a person of life liberty or property.

I knew you would save my bacon.

 

[mtrycrafts]

14th amendment says so. Or are we going to do some perverse interpretation as with the second amendment?

Well, we didn't have this issue in 1776, right?
Maybe they should have spelled out muskets back then.

 

[jinjuku]

14th amendment says so. Or are we going to do some perverse interpretation as with the second amendment?

No, we are going to talk about the 5th amendment and let SCOTUS sort out the ambiguity.