Poetic justice: Banning the Bible in schools

[Trell]

In a delicious twist of karma the Bible is banned in an Utah school district, and the Book of Mormon is on the chopping block.

>>>A school district in Utah that last week banned the Bible from school libraries is now being asked to consider a further title for removal: the Book of Mormon.

The Davis school district, which serves Davis county, north of Salt Lake City, said it was considering a new complaint demanding the removal of the foundational text of the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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The Bible will remain in high school libraries.

The school district said it would assess the Book of Mormon for “all elements of the definitions of pornographic or indecent materials” as defined under a Utah law concerning sensitive materials.

The request to remove the book referenced violence including battles, beheadings and kidnappings. …<<<

Utah school district that banned Bible considers removing Book of Mormon

Davis school district says it will assess text after complaint for ‘pornographic or indecent materials’ under law passed last year

www.theguardian.com

 

[Dude#1279435]

In a delicious twist of karma the Bible is banned in an Utah school district, and the Book of Mormon is on the chopping block.

>>>A school district in Utah that last week banned the Bible from school libraries is now being asked to consider a further title for removal: the Book of Mormon.

The Davis school district, which serves Davis county, north of Salt Lake City, said it was considering a new complaint demanding the removal of the foundational text of the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
…
The Bible will remain in high school libraries.

The school district said it would assess the Book of Mormon for “all elements of the definitions of pornographic or indecent materials” as defined under a Utah law concerning sensitive materials.

The request to remove the book referenced violence including battles, beheadings and kidnappings. …<<<

Utah school district that banned Bible considers removing Book of Mormon

Davis school district says it will assess text after complaint for ‘pornographic or indecent materials’ under law passed last year

www.theguardian.com

I prefer if you want the Bible in your school. I would guess the far right want it mandatory in public schools. However, ironically, the book is possibly the biggest obstacle to a belief in God with all the blood in it.

 

[Trell]

I prefer if you want the Bible in your school. I would guess the far right want it mandatory in public schools. However, ironically, the book is possibly the biggest obstacle to a belief in God with all the blood in it.

For me it was funny that the Republican "Christian" book banners got a taste of what comes around goes around using laws enacted by the Republicans at state level.

 

[jinjuku]

For me it was funny that the Republican "Christian" book banners got a taste of what comes around goes around using laws enacted by the Republicans at state level.

I wondered how long this would take. Look it's a bottom line that k-12 libraries should be oriented toward student outcomes wrt to actual curriculum.

The Bible like other books being talked about can be a personal choice that parents make at home.

An no the Bible is not 'banned'. It's called curation of the the catalog. A ban means it's not available wide spread.

Maybe we can get back to teaching the definitions of words. I was raised Baptist, sent to a really conservative Christian, you'll burn in hell, school in the middle of Amish country. I understand indoctrination, of all stripes, all to well.

 

[Trell]

An no the Bible is not 'banned'. It's called curation of the the catalog. A ban means it's not available wide spread.

A little hyperbolic, I agree, but the Bible is now only available for high school students in that district's school library in contrast to earlier. Perhaps "books banned from libraries" is better, but just calling it a "curation of the catalog" smacks a little of an euphemism in this context.

 

[jinjuku]

A little hyperbolic, I agree, but the Bible is now only available for high school students in that district's school library in contrast to earlier. Perhaps "books banned from libraries" is better, but just calling it a "curation of the catalog" smacks a little of an euphemism in this context.

Libraries don't carry an infinite amount of books. By their very nature they curate their collections based on their mission.

Go to a medical library and see if they carry George R.R. Martin books.

 

[Trell]

Libraries don't carry an infinite amount of books. By their very nature they curate their collections based on their mission.

Sure libraries curate their collections and have done so for a long time everywhere.This is not about the normal curation libraries do, though, but a response to new laws in several states enacted in no small part on bigotry.

 

[jinjuku]

Sure libraries curate their collections and have done so for a long time everywhere.This is not about the normal curation libraries do, though, but a response to new laws in several states enacted in no small part on bigotry.

To some they have overstepped their mission...

 

[jinjuku]

Let me ask you this: On some of the very controversial books, one's that even I would have a problem with, when were they introduced into libraries? I have a hunch as to the time frame.

If they were available in print 2012 especially...

I'm of the mind that if you can't read it aloud at a school board meeting it's a pretty good litmus test.

 

[Trell]

Let me ask you this: On some of the very controversial books, one's that even I would have a problem with, when were they introduced into libraries? I have a hunch as to the time frame.

If they were available in print 2012 especially...

I’ve no problem with that school libraries curate for age appropriate content and so forth. In fact I expect them to do so and they should.

These new laws, on the other hand, is something entirely else than the normal curation of books we expect to see in liberal democracies.

 

[jinjuku]

I’ve no problem with that school libraries curate for age appropriate content and so forth. In fact I expect them to do so and they should.

These new laws, on the other hand, is something entirely else than the normal curation of books we expect to see in liberal democracies.

I agree. I simply have a litmus of if you can't read it into the public notes at a school board meeting...

 

[Dude#1279435]

For me it was funny that the Republican "Christian" book banners got a taste of what comes around goes around using laws enacted by the Republicans at state level.

Wasn't there a comedian who attended a school board meeting asking the Bible be banned due to murder, incest, assault etc?

Pretty sure that was a city council meeting of some sort LOL.

 

[GO-NAD!]

I wondered how long this would take. Look it's a bottom line that k-12 libraries should be oriented toward student outcomes wrt to actual curriculum.

The Bible like other books being talked about can be a personal choice that parents make at home.

An no the Bible is not 'banned'. It's called curation of the the catalog. A ban means it's not available wide spread.

Maybe we can get back to teaching the definitions of words. I was raised Baptist, sent to a really conservative Christian, you'll burn in hell, school in the middle of Amish country. I understand indoctrination, of all stripes, all to well.

I would defer to PEN for a definition of "ban".
What Is a Book Ban? And More Frequently Asked Questions - PEN America

And, based on the circumstances of the Bible's removal - the complaint of one parent - I would suggest that it falls under the "banned" category. Sure, it's widely available elsewhere, but it's banned from these libraries. We can kid ourselves and say it's because "k-12 libraries should be oriented toward student outcomes wrt to actual curriculum", or we can see it for what it is - retaliation for the banning of books that deal with progressive topics, such as civil rights and gender issues.

 

[GO-NAD!]

I agree. I simply have a litmus of if you can't read it into the public notes at a school board meeting...

While we should be able to read Amanda Gorman's The Hill We Climb at a school board meeting and pass your test, you won't find it on elementary school shelves in Miami Lakes, FL.

A parent of two children attending Bob Graham Education Center, a school in Miami Lakes that serves students in kindergarten through eighth grade, filed a complaint that resulted in the book being removed from the elementary level part of the library.

The parent — who alleged in her complaint that the material is not educational, has indirect hate messages and indoctrinates students — said she had not read the book and incorrectly identified its author as Oprah Winfrey.

Amanda Gorman addresses book bans in 1st interview since poem "The Hill We Climb" was restricted in a Florida school - CBS News

 

[Trell]

While we should be able to read Amanda Gorman's The Hill We Climb at a school board meeting and pass your test, you won't find it on elementary school shelves in Miami Lakes, FL.


Amanda Gorman addresses book bans in 1st interview since poem "The Hill We Climb" was restricted in a Florida school - CBS News

This was one of the examples I had in mind.

 

[jinjuku]

I would defer to PEN for a definition of "ban".
What Is a Book Ban? And More Frequently Asked Questions - PEN America

And, based on the circumstances of the Bible's removal - the complaint of one parent - I would suggest that it falls under the "banned" category. Sure, it's widely available elsewhere, but it's banned from these libraries. We can kid ourselves and say it's because "k-12 libraries should be oriented toward student outcomes wrt to actual curriculum", or we can see it for what it is - retaliation for the banning of books that deal with progressive topics, such as civil rights and gender issues.

The crux of the issue is one of mandates. I took my child out of public schools because the ones around us primarily suck.

The school my child is at now? They graduate H.S. with a Baccalaureate. While I understand progressive and conservative topics are both important, we deal with that at home.

Yes K-12 should be oriented toward educational goals for successful launch into adult hood. I'm saddened you seem to feel otherwise. It feels like the initiative has been lost.

 

[jinjuku]

This was one of the examples I had in mind.

I watched her give that speech and it was uplifting and inspiring. Also amazed at people that can put language together like that.

Again my litmus is if you can't publicly read it into the record at a school board meeting...

 

[davidscott]

My parents paid to have me and my sisters attend Catholic school for 8 years then on to public school for 9 to 12. Not saying that was bad or good but a choice. Looks like every kid will soon be subjugated to some sort of Christian school soon. My how have times changed.

 

[GO-NAD!]

The crux of the issue is one of mandates. I took my child out of public schools because the ones around us primarily suck.

The school my child is at now? They graduate H.S. with a Baccalaureate. While I understand progressive and conservative topics are both important, we deal with that at home.

Yes K-12 should be oriented toward educational goals for successful launch into adult hood. I'm saddened you seem to feel otherwise. It feels like the initiative has been lost.

I'm saddened that you think I might feel otherwise. My point was that I don't think the demand to remove the Bible from a school library had anything to do with its content. I think it was in order to "own the MAGAs" and see them hoist by their own petard.

 

[jinjuku]

I'm saddened that you think I might feel otherwise. My point was that I don't think the demand to remove the Bible from a school library had anything to do with its content. I think it was in order to "own the MAGAs" and see them hoist by their own petard.

I'd rather talk about how our schools suck instead of this right vs left lunacy. I'm against any book being in a k-12 setting that you are stopped by the school board from reading into the public record because it's salacious to that degree.

I've no problem beating hypocrites with their own lash. I'm fricking spending $2K a month on private education. Trust me I would LOVE not to feel like I'm having to do this.