Ukraine – Russia … not more of the last thread

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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
I sense a "pro Sub" bias here :)

Absolutely right about the damage submarine warfare unleashed. In addition to your comments, little highlighted by the history books was the complete devastation unleashed against Japanese merchant marine in WW2 that was a large factor in crippling the Japanese Empire.

I would say that in addition to submarine warfare, air power came into it's own in WW2 and that helped end the battleship era. Pearl Harbor and the bombing of the Italian Navy at Taranto, which allegedly inspired the Japanese, opened many eyes about air power vs the big capital ships. The US pre WW2 military as always, stocked with generals who fought in WW1, had downplayed air power and ignored pioneers like Doolittle. The rest is history.

In modern times, have read many commentaries about how the Exocet missile hit on the Sheffield during the Falklands, or Malvinas, War opened up many eyes to the reality of sea skimming missiles as the biggest problem for surface vessels. This recent sinking highlights that, at least until the next one.

For those who mourn the passing of the dinosaurs, a great book is "Dreadnought". It's a heavy read but it's worth it.

Gen Billy Mitchell was a WWI General who is largely responsible for promoting air power, to his detriment- he was unwilling to temper his comments about the military's lack of foresight & development of US air power and, according to the link, predicted an attack like the one at Pearl Harbor. His rank was reduced to Colonel and he was eventually court-martialled. The airport in Milwaukee is named for him.

The upper echelon didn't like him being right because they wanted to maintain the old ways of battle. That would have been similar to continuing the practice of using opposing infantry lines that would fire and the front lines would die, only to be replaced by one layer after another until everyone is dead.

 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
Well I'm about 80 miles from a sub base and 50 miles from a Naval port and 91 miles from Patrick AFB and Cape Canaveral.
You already made 3 reference points, which means I guess you can be targeted within an accuracy of max 1/2 mile :D

By FSB agents reading this thread o_O
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
It's too bad the
You already made 3 reference points, which means I guess you can be targeted within an accuracy of max 1/2 mile :D

By FSB agents reading this thread o_O
In the past, Milwaukee was called 'Machine Shop To The World" because we had so many factories building a wide variety of products. Now that this has changed, I think we're safe.
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
Absolutely right about the damage submarine warfare unleashed. In addition to your comments, little highlighted by the history books was the complete devastation unleashed against Japanese merchant marine in WW2 that was a large factor in crippling the Japanese Empire.
The US Navy Submarine Service succeeded at doing to Japan, what the German Navy failed to do the UK. After the war, they always kept that quiet – and continue to do so today.
I would say that in addition to submarine warfare, air power came into it's own in WW2 and that helped end the battleship era. Pearl Harbor and the bombing of the Italian Navy at Taranto, which allegedly inspired the Japanese, opened many eyes about air power vs the big capital ships. The US pre WW2 military as always, stocked with generals who fought in WW1, had downplayed air power and ignored pioneers like Doolittle. The rest is history.

In modern times, have read many commentaries about how the Exocet missile hit on the Sheffield during the Falklands, or Malvinas, War opened up many eyes to the reality of sea skimming missiles as the biggest problem for surface vessels. This recent sinking highlights that, at least until the next one.
Submarines (expensive) and those cruise missiles (inexpensive) have pretty much spelled the end of the dominance of air craft carriers (prohibitively expensive). I think the USN is loath to admit this.
 
SithZedi

SithZedi

Audioholic General
This is interesting. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I suspect Putin will continue to believe his own fairy tails (at least in some form) rather than come to his senses and face reality.

>>>A career diplomat who previously served as U.S. ambassador to Russia, Burns spoke at length about the "immediate" threat posed by the Kremlin's aggression, and called Russian President Vladimir Putin an "apostle of payback" whose appetite for risk has grown as his circle of trusted advisers has shrunk over the years.

"Every day, Putin demonstrates that declining powers can be at least as disruptive as rising ones," he said.

Burns recounted how he came away "troubled" from an interaction with Putin in November, when President Biden dispatched the CIA chief to Moscow to warn the Russians of the consequences of potential military action in Ukraine.

"While it did not yet seem that he had made an irreversible decision to invade Ukraine, Putin was defiantly leaning in that direction, apparently concerned that his window was closing for shaping Ukraine's orientation," Burns said.

He said Putin appeared convinced at the time that the Ukrainians would quickly submit; that his own military could achieve victory "at minimal cost;" that Europeans would remain "risk-averse" and that his own economy was "sanctions-proofed" by massive foreign currency reserves.

"When he launched his war seven weeks ago, Putin was proven wrong on each of those counts," Burns said.<<<

Interesting his view that as late as November Putin was still not a 100% go on the invasion. Burns is a very under appreciated resource in this administration.

Putin is yet another member of the "Emperor's New Clothes" club.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
US confirms that the Russian flagship Moskva was hit by two Ukrainian Neptune missiles causing it to sink.

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WASHINGTON — Two Ukrainian Neptune missiles hit Russia’s flagship Moskva in the Black Sea, a senior Defense official said on Friday, providing the first American confirmation that the sinking of the Russian cruiser was the result of a Ukrainian strike.

Moscow had said the ship sank in stormy seas after an accidental fire caused an explosion.
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haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
I normally try to avoid indulging in shadenfreude, but I'm going to mentally marinade in it for awhile in this case.
I appreciate your principles, however with russians and putler I think we can celebrate any russian bad luck:)
 
M

Mr._Clark

Audioholic Samurai
I have discovered Russia's military strategy:

"Man's highest joy is in victory: to conquer one's enemies; to pursue them; to deprive them of their possessions; to make their beloved weep; to ride on their horses; and to embrace their wives and daughters."
Genghis Khan


It's no surprise that the Mongols subjugated the Kievan Rus in the 13th Century and afterwards the Russians adopted Genghis' war strategy. Not to disregard the deliberate impregnation of all subjugated women. Many Russians carry his DNA to this very day.
Putin's justification for invading other countries seems to be based (at least in part) on picking a historical point in time when the Russian empire was at it's greatest (at least in his altered view of history). This begs the question: who gets to pick the date?

The Mongols ruled Russia for 240 years. They'd probably pick a different date.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
Last round in the French presidential election on 24th of April is between Macron and the far/extreme right Le Pen. Like so many on the far right she is pro-Putin and thus a danger to us all.

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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
The US Navy Submarine Service succeeded at doing to Japan, what the German Navy failed to do the UK. After the war, they always kept that quiet – and continue to do so today.
Submarines (expensive) and those cruise missiles (inexpensive) have pretty much spelled the end of the dominance of air craft carriers (prohibitively expensive). I think the USN is loath to admit this.
They can serve other purposes. The huge crews and hospitals have cared for people during disasters like earthquakes when all of the local hospitals were damaged or destroyed, around the world. They obviously can't sneak into a war zone, but the aircraft and support craft that travel with them make for a very potent group- they usually include guided missile cruisers and those are the ones that fired the first shots in Gulf War I.
 
SithZedi

SithZedi

Audioholic General
An old 60 minutes clip on Russians in Syria. Footage from the deck of the Moskva at the 7 m mark. Russians were rather cocky then. Interesting interview with Maria Lipman after that clip on Putin's worldview.

 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
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“Glory to Ukraine” painted outside Russian embassy in Warsaw as part of city-backed exhibition

The words “Слава Україні!”, or “Slava Ukraini”, a popular national salute meaning “Glory to Ukraine”, have been painted in large yellow and blue letters on the pavement outside the Russian embassy in Warsaw.

The slogan is part of the Free Ukraine Gallery, an artistic initiative calling for an end to the war.
Source: Notes from Poland
 
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