Ukraine – Russia … not more of the last thread

haraldo

haraldo

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⚡⚡⚡In Irpin, Russian invaders shot women and girls, and then drove tanks over their bodies
This is told by the mayor Oleksandr Markushyn.

According to him, many civilians died due to shelling and mines. Also, the Russians massively shot people right in the middle of the street.

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haraldo

haraldo

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The world has already seen many war crimes. At different times. On different continents. But it is time to do everything possible to make the war crimes of the Russian military the last manifestation of such evil on earth. Everyone guilty of such crimes will be included in a special Book of Torturers, will be found and punished.

 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
map itself looks optimistic, but NATO general secretary Jens Stoltenberg is not convinced, it may be pulling back to reorganize and hit back; also with lots more shelling ....
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Spartan
I learned something new today. The Holocaust was minimized in the Soviet Union following WW2. It helps explain one of the Russian so-called reasons for their invasion - "de-nazification" of Ukraine. This, despite Zelensky's Jewish background.

The Soviet Jewish History Shaping Zelensky’s Appeals - The Atlantic

The Nazis were not understood by postwar generations of Soviets to be motivated by hatred of Jews; they were understood to be anti-Soviet and specifically anti-Russian.
In other words, the Nazis didn't kill Russian Jews because they were Jews, but because they were Russians.

Soviet Jews who survived the war knew that their loved ones had been murdered because of their Jewish ethnicity. They knew that some of their neighbors were Nazi collaborators. The Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee (JAC), partly composed of Soviet Jews who had traveled abroad to raise huge sums of money for the Soviet war effort, went to great lengths to document Nazi atrocities in the Soviet Union in the Black Book.

As the war ended and Joseph Stalin’s government shifted its domestic and foreign policy, a campaign against “Jewish nationalism” and “cosmopolitanism” and “Zionism” began to be waged against Soviet Jews, reaching its climax with the Doctor’s Plot, a conspiracy theory promoted by Stalin’s government claiming that “Zionists” and people with Jewish surnames were attempting to assassinate Soviet officials. The Black Book was suppressed in the Soviet Union in 1947, and many members of the JAC were executed by Stalin’s regime during the height of his anti-Jewish panic. The facts that the committee had methodically documented, including widespread Nazi collaboration by ethnic Ukrainians, Latvians, and others, undermined Soviet propaganda, which claimed uniform support for the Stalinist regime from all Soviet citizens. Jews attempting to put up memorials for their loved ones were punished, their actions characterized as “Jewish particularism”; their recollection of the war didn’t serve the Soviet regime’s interests. The interests of the vlast were not the same as those of the narod, at least the Jewish one.
 
highfigh

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Seriously, I have no life.
I learned something new today. The Holocaust was minimized in the Soviet Union following WW2. It helps explain one of the Russian so-called reasons for their invasion - "de-nazification" of Ukraine. This, despite Zelensky's Jewish background.

The Soviet Jewish History Shaping Zelensky’s Appeals - The Atlantic



In other words, the Nazis didn't kill Russian Jews because they were Jews, but because they were Russians.
Noting could ever convince me that being Russian took precedence for the Nazis when they killed Jews- being Russian was just the bonus for them.
 
SithZedi

SithZedi

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Noting could ever convince me that being Russian took precedence for the Nazis when they killed Jews- being Russian was just the bonus for them.
That's correct. Killing Jews runs deep in Russian history. Look up how many Jews the Czars killed or drove out of the Russian Empire before Lenin took power. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which the Nazi's used to teach their children, still haunt the Jews of current times. Those texts were produced by Czarist Russia.
 
haraldo

haraldo

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That's correct. Killing Jews runs deep in Russian history. Look up how many Jews the Czars killed or drove out of the Russian Empire before Lenin took power. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which the Nazi's used to teach their children, still haunt the Jews of current times. Those texts were produced by Czarist Russia.
I think it´s even more that russians have killed anyone non-russian through history.... russia is an extremely violent country, also understated by the fact that it´s a normal thing for a russian husband to beat his wife till she is between life and death.... violence is normal and a day of the daily life. Police will never investigate violence at home because it´s simply normal. A woman that leaves a husband after he beat her half dead, is a bad wife :eek:
IMHO The country is completely fu#$d up.

If you can check this program out, you will be shocked and stunned, in a negative way
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Spartan
I see that Ukrainians have been referring to the Russian invaders as "orcs" and....I can't argue against that.
 
M

Mr._Clark

Audioholic Samurai
In keeping with standard operating procedure, the Russians are lying again, this time about the bodies in Bucha supposedly being put there after the Russians left the town.

>>>An analysis of satellite images by The New York Times rebuts claims by Russia that the killing of civilians in Bucha, a suburb of Kyiv, occurred after its soldiers had left the town.

When images emerged over the weekend of the bodies of dead civilians lying on the streets of Bucha — some with their hands bound, some with gunshot wounds to the head — Russia’s Ministry of Defense denied responsibility. In a Telegram post on Sunday, the ministry suggested that the bodies had been recently placed on the streets after “all Russian units withdrew completely from Bucha” around March 30.

Russia claimed that the images were “another hoax” and called for an emergency U.N. Security Council meeting on what it called “provocations of Ukrainian radicals” in Bucha.

But a review of videos and satellite imagery by The Times shows that many of the civilians were killed more than three weeks ago, when Russia’s military was in control of the town.<<<

 
Swerd

Swerd

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The news emerging from Ukraine about mass executions of Ukrainian civilians is increasingly depressing. There seems little doubt that the Russian Army or Putin's uniformed political enforcers did this. We already know they have used the same tactics of mass terror among civilians in Georgia, Chechen, and Syria.

NATO is finding it increasingly difficult to remain neutral. Europe cannot sit back and permit mass murder of civilians by anyone or any nation. Even if there is a cease-fire, and a serious attempt at a peace agreement, there will be no peace as long as Putin remains in power. (It might be useful to go back and review the original post in this thread about Alexandr Dugin.)

At the very least, Ukraine will have to be armed to the teeth, with heavy offensive capabilities, until Putin is removed, and Russia is secured from future Putin-like successors. At the other extreme, NATO may have to militarily occupy Russia to accomplish this. Just like Germany was dismembered into four occupied military zones for 45 years after the end of WW2 (1945 until 1990), the same may be required in Russia.

I certainly hope not. But today, I'm not feeling optimistic about an easy outcome.
 
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haraldo

haraldo

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From Italian Serie A, Juventus vs Inter Milan

 
haraldo

haraldo

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Legendary Italian coach Fabio Capello refused to communicate with Russian journalists

“I don’t talk to Russian journalists,” — Capello responded to the request of the Russian TV channel Match TV to comment after the 2022 World Cup draw.
 
haraldo

haraldo

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The leaders of France and Germany have made statements about the mass killings of civilians by Russians in Bucha and other occupied towns and villages

Scholz believes that the crimes of the Russian military must be constantly investigated and the perpetrators must be brought to justice. Macron added that the Russian authorities will have to answer for these crimes.
 
haraldo

haraldo

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According to Medvedev, the Ukrainian nation has never been in history and does not exist now.

Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has said that Ukrainians are just a mistake. Like, such a nationality has never been in history. Russia is allegedly going to continue to build "open Eurasia" - from Lisbon to Vladivostok.

This was reported by RBC-Ukraine with reference to Medvedev's statement.

According to him, the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine is a long process, after which Russia plans to build Eurasia from Lisbon to Vladivostok.

"These complex tasks are not performed simultaneously. And they will be solved not only on the battlefields. To change the bloody and full of false myths consciousness of some Ukrainians today is the most important goal. Lisbon to Vladivostok, "Medvedev said.

Source: https://tsn.ua/svit/ukrayinci-ce-velikiy-feyk-medvedyev-zayaviv-scho-pislya-denacifikaciyi-rosiya-planuye-zbuduvati-yevraziyu-vid-lisabona-do-vladivostoka-2029303.html
 
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Seriously, I have no life.


According to Medvedev, the Ukrainian nation has never been in history and does not exist now.

Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has said that Ukrainians are just a mistake. Like, such a nationality has never been in history. Russia is allegedly going to continue to build "open Eurasia" - from Lisbon to Vladivostok.

This was reported by RBC-Ukraine with reference to Medvedev's statement.

According to him, the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine is a long process, after which Russia plans to build Eurasia from Lisbon to Vladivostok.

"These complex tasks are not performed simultaneously. And they will be solved not only on the battlefields. To change the bloody and full of false myths consciousness of some Ukrainians today is the most important goal. Lisbon to Vladivostok, "Medvedev said.

Source: https://tsn.ua/svit/ukrayinci-ce-velikiy-feyk-medvedyev-zayaviv-scho-pislya-denacifikaciyi-rosiya-planuye-zbuduvati-yevraziyu-vid-lisabona-do-vladivostoka-2029303.html
If he thinks everyone will just lay down and submit to Russia, whatever becomes of their goal of Open Eurasia will be a radioactive, toxic land mass which will be useless because I suspect that at some point, they will use some kind of nuclear weapon. Russia's history of taking other countries by force is too long to ignore and too bloody to allow.
 
cpp

cpp

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they will use some kind of nuclear weapon
That would be a mistake by Putin, unless NATO just fails to act aggressively via a launch of their own and if the NATO equipped countries do launch, then you have WWIII and millions will die in Europe and the US along with Russia civilians. So we have to ask ourselves, do you live in an area that would be targeted by a Russian Nuke ?
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
That would be a mistake by Putin, unless NATO just fails to act aggressively via a launch of their own and if the NATO equipped countries do launch, then you have WWIII and millions will die in Europe and the US along with Russia civilians. So we have to ask ourselves, do you live in an area that would be targeted by a Russian Nuke ?
As I mentioned before, I would be more disturbed by the loss of Russian architecture than by the people who might die if the Kremlin were bombed out of existence. If Putin has indeed holed up in a bunker beneath the big red building, the appropriate response for him firing nukes would be to make a big hole where that building stands. Not with nukes, just big, conventional bombs. I don't think their military would be able to defend against the US alone, certainly not the US AND Nato/allied countries.

I just saw that 13 AN124 aircraft were arrested, mostly in Canada. This means the crews must de-plane and the aircraft must stay put. That also means Russia will have a hard time moving large amounts of, well, anything.
 
haraldo

haraldo

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That would be a mistake by Putin, unless NATO just fails to act aggressively via a launch of their own and if the NATO equipped countries do launch, then you have WWIII and millions will die in Europe and the US along with Russia civilians. So we have to ask ourselves, do you live in an area that would be targeted by a Russian Nuke ?
Everyone live in an area that could be targeted, the mach-10 capable rockets reach US in 20 minutes
 
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