Russia - Ukraine

[SithZedi]

I find a map is helpful. After the collapse of the USSR, most all of the Cold War Iron Curtain countries joined NATO. All except Belarus, Ukraine, and some parts of the former Yugoslavia. That speaks volumes about what they thought after being dominated by the USSR for 46 years.

Because Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania might be Putin's next targets, Sweden and Finland have good reason to rethink their neutrality.
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If Putin successful in conquest, he will most probably learn that to occupy a country as large as the Ukraine and building it in his image will be extremely draining in human cost and in resources. Especially considering the size of his economy. As Bush learned in Iraq. Quick conquest yes, but the post war occupation pretty much stopped further foreign adventures for the rest of his term (i.e.Iran). Of course I am guessing but Putin will not touch a NATO country unless this totally spins out of control.

 

[Mikado463]

I find a map is helpful. After the collapse of the USSR, most all of the Cold War Iron Curtain countries joined NATO. All except Belarus, Ukraine, and some parts of the former Yugoslavia. That speaks volumes about what they thought after being dominated by the USSR for 46 years.

Because Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania might be Putin's next targets, Sweden and Finland have good reason to rethink their neutrality.
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yep ..........

Russia Issues Ominous Warning to Finland, Sweden Should They Join NATO

Ukraine's president confirmed that both countries had offered their support in the fight against Russia.

www.newsweek.com

 

[SithZedi]

Meanwhile, back in China.

U.S. Officials Repeatedly Urged China to Help Avert War in Ukraine (Published 2022)

Americans presented Chinese officials with intelligence on Russia’s troop buildup in hopes that President Xi Jinping would step in, but were repeatedly rebuffed.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Trell]

I think Norway and Finland should apply to join NATO without the knowledge of Putin, to protect themselves and stop him in his foolish ideas and actions.

I wonder why they hadn't joined them.

Norway is a founding member of NATO.

Norway and NATO

www.norway.no

 

[Danzilla31]

What do you figure "Biden's thinking" is and how does it differ from what the "rest of the world thinks"? It seems to me that Biden was a Cassandra on Putin's intentions. The talking heads on the right called him a warmonger for predicting what the Russians were going to do. Putin simply does not want Ukraine in the western orbit where it would have a chance to democratize and develop their economy, increasing living standards for her people. Ukraine may have wanted to join NATO, but no such offer had been made. NATO is a purely defensive organization, with no reason to attack Russia. Putin knows this, but is just inventing BS excuses to invade Ukraine. The only thing protecting the Baltic states from the same fate is NATO membership.

Blaming Biden, NATO or "The West" in general is just more misinformation.

This is and has escalated past political alignment and although some of the idiots in Washington will spin it hopefully the rest of us the public can stay out of that and stick together

Putin just threatened Finland and Sweden with possible military and other consequences if they decide to join Nato. I actually could understand some of the issues for Russia with Ukraine but Finland and Sweden? This ahole just thinks he can tell any country what they can and can't do? Especially after you invaded a neighbor with no direct provocation other then your issues with Nato?

It's clear with that statement as many have said he wants more then Ukraine and he's definetly pushing for more conflict and chaos then this issue this conflict doesn't stop here

He's having a harder time taking Ukraine then he thought let alone holding it. Something tells me he will overextend his reach if he tries.

Looks like many were right and the only way we are going to stop this bullying is to eventually make a stand

How and when to do that is a really good question

 

[Verdinut]

Norway is a founding member of NATO.

Norway and NATO

www.norway.no

I thought someone said that they were not a member on the local news. I must have heard Sweden rather than Norway then.

 

[SithZedi]

I thought someone said that they were not a member on the local news. I must have heard Sweden rather than Norway then.

I would not be surprised by that. I saw somewhere yesterday that some analyst said Chernobyl was currently supplying northern Ukraine with power....

 

[Mikado463]

I thought someone said that they were not a member on the local news. I must have heard Sweden rather than Norway then.

check out Richards map, post #300 .......

 

[Trell]

I thought someone said that they were not a member on the local news. I must have heard Sweden rather than Norway then.

Also the current secretary general of NATO is the former Norwegian prime minister Jens Stoltenberg.

NATO membership is an ongoing debate in Sweden with the center-right parties for and Socialdemocrats against.

 

[Verdinut]

I would not be surprised by that. I saw somewhere yesterday that some analyst said Chernobyl was currently supplying northern Ukraine with power....

Chernobyl is in Ukraine.

 

[Verdinut]

Also the current secretary general of NATO is the former Norwegian prime minister Jens Stoltenberg.

NATO membership is an ongoing debate in Sweden with the center-right parties for and Socialdemocrats against.

If Sweden does not apply for NATO membership, then I suspect they unfortunately might be one of Putin's future targets as well.

 

[SithZedi]

Chernobyl is in Ukraine.

Yes it is. But the Amusing part of that analysts "analysis" was that it was still supplying power which it isn't.

 

[Verdinut]

Yes it is. But the Amusing part of that analysts "analysis" was that it was still supplying power which it isn't.

The radioactive power plant was closed down many years ago. If that city is supplying power to the northern part of Ukraine, it has to be from another power plant.

 

[Mikado463]

The radioactive power plant was closed down many years ago. If that city is supplying power to the northern part of Ukraine, it has to be from another power plant.

if memory serves me right it was around '86 when reactor #4 melted down ? I also thought up until recently it was a major tourist stop for visitors to Ukraine ?

 

[panteragstk]

if memory serves me right it was around '86 when reactor #4 melted down ? I also thought up until recently it was a major tourist stop for visitors to Ukraine ?

It is a tourist stop, but they only let you get so close. It's still not safe to be there for more than a bit.

 

[SithZedi]

The radioactive power plant was closed down many years ago. If that city is supplying power to the northern part of Ukraine, it has to be from another power plant.

Exactly. That's why the analyst's report was useless and amusing in its ignorance.

 

[cpp]

Blaming Biden, NATO or "The West" in general is just more misinformation.

FYI, I never mentioned I was blaming anyone, just the BS that's noted floating around the Web. Blame anyone blame the Web.

 

[Mikado463]

It is a tourist stop, but they only let you get so close. It's still not safe to be there for more than a bit.

oh for sure and to top that off (pun intended), the dip-poop Ruskies couldn't even build a proper sarcophagus !!

 

[Danzilla31]

If Sweden does not apply for NATO membership, then I suspect they unfortunately might be one of Putin's future targets as well.

That might be part of Putins plan if he truly wants to push for war. Go after Ukraine when other countries insist on joining Nato he uses that as an excuse to create more conflict knowing eventually the West will have to get drawn in.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Interesting that Azerbaijan refused to send troops to Ukraine, nor would it recognize those two independent states Putin claims as independent.

Oh, should we worry about his pointedly mentioning his nuclear arsenal?