Russia - Ukraine

[Verdinut]

2000? Maybe he was referring to the presidential election results in Florida..

IMO, there was no suspected risk of a World war in 2020.

 

[Danzilla31]

I take no satisfaction from having called this two weeks ago.
Putin orders forces to 'maintain peace' in Eastern Ukraine after recognizing separatist regions | CBC News

There was no way once Putin pushed troops to over 100,000 on the border that he wasn't going in. The cost of keeping them there alone made it pointless to do all that just to pull them back.

Game on now. We'll just have to see how this plays out. Prayers to everyone right now

 

[highfigh]

Grenada was a PR campaign to make Reagan look good.

You're aware that it was a British territory, right? Also, American students were trapped there- do you want me to invite one of them, to respond here? He was a customer at the stereo store where I worked.

 

[highfigh]

I take no satisfaction from having called this two weeks ago.
Putin orders forces to 'maintain peace' in Eastern Ukraine after recognizing separatist regions | CBC News

Are you sure "maintain peace' isn't code for "blast the crap out of them"?

 

[highfigh]

IMO, there was no suspected risk of a World war in 2020.

And according to Harris, Europe has been at peace for 70 years.

 

[SithZedi]

And according to Harris, Europe has been at peace for 70 years.

Harris actually said that? I have to find the tape. She's a walking disaster. I pray for Biden every night so he lasts the three years...

 

[SithZedi]

Interesting game of chess being played. Am curious to how the Mandarins will play. Support their ally Putin or remain silent since the term "Breakaway Regions" and Taiwan are too close for comfort.

Syria backs Russian recognition of east Ukraine breakaway regions

Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad says Syrian gov’t ‘will cooperate’ with the two Moscow-backed separatist-held regions.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[MaxInValrico]

You're aware that it was a British territory, right? Also, American students were trapped there- do you want me to invite one of them, to respond here? He was a customer at the stereo store where I worked.

No need to, I was in the USAF at that time and was processing intel and recon photos of the island for a week prior to it happening.

 

[GO-NAD!]

And according to Harris, Europe has been at peace for 70 years.

I read her statement. I think she was referring to a major multi-nation war, not self-contained civil conflicts, such as the former Yugoslavia.

 

[GO-NAD!]

Are you sure "maintain peace' isn't code for "blast the crap out of them"?

No, I'm pretty sure it means to consolidate their hold over the Donbas region.

 

[highfigh]

I read her statement. I think she was referring to a major multi-nation war, not self-contained civil conflicts, such as the former Yugoslavia.

What, exactly, is a 'civil conflict?

 

[GO-NAD!]

What, exactly, is a 'civil conflict?

Like what happened in your country, 1861-1865.

 

[SithZedi]

I read her statement. I think she was referring to a major multi-nation war, not self-contained civil conflicts, such as the former Yugoslavia.

Just saw the clip too. It's a tossup. She didn't actually qualify her statement to a major multi-nation war but that's not inconsistent with her speaking style. She should be more careful with her statements on the international stage at critical moments like this.

That "70 year no war in Europe statement" will bring tons of rebuttals from both the former peoples of Yugoslavia and the former members of Soviet Eastern Europe. From their perspective, the Cold war for the Western Europeans was sometimes uncomfortable. The Eastern European victims considered it rather Hot given the abuses they suffered. Not to mention most of the other former SSRs .

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1495757308479119365

 

[highfigh]

Like what happened in your country, 1861-1865.

It can be defined as "of or relating to citizens" but also "adequate in courtesy and politeness".

Definition of CIVIL

of or relating to citizens; of or relating to the state or its citizenry; civilized… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[GO-NAD!]

Just saw the clip too. It's a tossup. She didn't actually qualify her statement to a major multi-nation war but that's not inconsistent with her speaking style. She should be more careful with her statements on the international stage at critical moments like this.

That "70 year no war in Europe statement" will bring tons of rebuttals from both the former peoples of Yugoslavia and the former members of Soviet Eastern Europe. From their perspective, the Cold war for the Western Europeans was sometimes uncomfortable. The Eastern European victims considered it rather Hot given the abuses they suffered. Not to mention most of the other former SSRs .

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1495757308479119365

With the severely polarized state of politics these days, yes it's advisable for someone in her position to be more precise when speaking. But, insinuating that she's unaware of such conflicts, or is dismissive of them is a bit of a stretch.

 

[GO-NAD!]

That was a war. People need to stop softening the adjective and there was nothing civil about it- a poor choice of the word.

There was "nothing civil about it". So, it wasn't a civil war?

Merriam-Webster defines war as "a state of opened and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations". Lexico defines war as "A state of armed conflict between different countries or different groups within a country".

While a conflict isn't always a war, a war is always a conflict.

If you're going to engage in pedantry, it should be worth the effort. War vs conflict really isn't, in my mind.

 

[Am_P]

The Ukranian president mus to let tens of thousands of Ukranians die in this upcoming "proxy" war.

You definitely did. After watching Putin's hour and half speech today, in his view of history, the Ukraine is Russia. Now we have to deal accordingly.

Putin's perspective is the perspective of the Russians who grew up under the USSR. When the USSR fell, more than 25 million ethnic Russians (at the least) became foreign citizens overnight "stranded" in "foreign" countries. This might be a foreign concept for some Americans to grasp. An analogy would be that if the US split in half overnight somehow and a guy living in Missouri got most of his family stranded next door in Kansas (same people, same culture, foreign citizens overnight). Such a thing has happened in many parts of the world (Sudan, Vietnam, Korea, India, etc, etc).

It looks like hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian civilians will perish in this upcoming "proxy" war between the United States and Russia. I guess the decimation of Syria wasn't enough.

 

[highfigh]

There was "nothing civil about it". So, it wasn't a civil war?

Merriam-Webster defines war as "a state of opened and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations". Lexico defines war as "A state of armed conflict between different countries or different groups within a country".

While a conflict isn't always a war, a war is always a conflict.

If you're going to engage in pedantry, it should be worth the effort. War vs conflict really isn't, in my mind.

That's the problem with the word- by definition, it's correct in both instances.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

The Ukranian president mus to let tens of thousands of Ukranians die in this upcoming "proxy" war.

Putin's perspective is the perspective of the Russians who grew up under the USSR. When the USSR fell, more than 25 million ethnic Russians (at the least) became foreign citizens overnight "stranded" in "foreign" countries. This might be a foreign concept for some Americans to grasp. An analogy would be that if the US split in half overnight somehow and a guy living in Missouri got most of his family stranded next door in Kansas (same people, same culture, foreign citizens overnight). Such a thing has happened in many parts of the world (Sudan, Vietnam, Korea, India, etc, etc).

It looks like hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian civilians will perish in this upcoming "proxy" war between the United States and Russia. I guess the decimation of Syria wasn't enough.

it's a bit more complex that that:

“There is no Ukraine”: Fact-Checking the Kremlin’s Version of Ukrainian History

The notion that Ukraine is not a country, but a historical part of Russia, appears to be deeply ingrained in the minds of Russian leadership. Competing interpretations of history have turned into a…

blogs.lse.ac.uk

 

[SithZedi]

Like what happened in your country, 1861-1865.

The Ukranian president mus to let tens of thousands of Ukranians die in this upcoming "proxy" war.

Putin's perspective is the perspective of the Russians who grew up under the USSR. When the USSR fell, more than 25 million ethnic Russians (at the least) became foreign citizens overnight "stranded" in "foreign" countries. This might be a foreign concept for some Americans to grasp. An analogy would be that if the US split in half overnight somehow and a guy living in Missouri got most of his family stranded next door in Kansas (same people, same culture, foreign citizens overnight). Such a thing has happened in many parts of the world (Sudan, Vietnam, Korea, India, etc, etc).

It looks like hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian civilians will perish in this upcoming "proxy" war between the United States and Russia. I guess the decimation of Syria wasn't enough.

Agree with you on Putin's perspective, he went back to prior 1917, to Czarist Russia. In his preamble, he stated his view that Lenin made a mistake in creating what became the Ukraine in the aftermath of the Bolshevik Revolution & Treaty with Germany. He also criticized Stalin and overall Communist rule of the USSR until 1989. Reminded me a bit of Kruschev's speech criticizing Stalin. I'm shocked he didn't bring up the Scythians who ruled what is now the Ukraine in 350 BC.

It's not a foreign concept to Americans, just historically ignorant ones. It's not their fault. The curriculum in our school systems have stripped knowledge from being passed down to the next generation. Same holds for Europe with their younger generations.

The concept of being stranded overnight happens after every war. In 1918, Germany, Austria Hungary, Russia, and the Ottoman Empires, huge territories, were all broken up in to many of the countries we recognize today.

Agree with your contention that this will be a proxy war between the US and Russia. This was a European problem that should have been resolved years ago by Europeans and not have necessitated the involvement of the US. The US involvement will only makes things worse for various reasons.

The 70 years "peace" in Europe was imposed by an outside power (the US). This peace is a bit of an anomaly when you look at the history of Europe and it's borders...70 years is @2% of the time measured since 500 BC. War and chaos is actually the norm for most other 98% of the time.

History is fun but unfortunately repetitive to the ignorant who do not draw the right conclusions. I pray for the victims and condemn those who made billions exploiting the Ukrainians in the last 20 years.

Animation: How the European Map Has Changed Over 2,400 Years

The history of Europe is breathtakingly complex, but this animation helps makes sense of 2,400 years of change on the European map.

www.visualcapitalist.com