Need to upgrade to HDMI 2.0 but need sound quality at the fore front.

PHANofPHUNK

PHANofPHUNK

Full Audioholic
I finally took the leap and got a lg C1. However I quickly realized that I created many headaches for my self. One, My Anthem MRX510 only has hdmi 1.4 as well at my laptop that is kinda the heart of the setup.

With the help of many of you I learned how to work with what I have. Currently Im using a roku pluged into the LG, and running audio out of the TV via optical. However it can only pass Doloby Digital. I would like to get back full resolution audio that a hdmi connection can offer.

My Main focus is on sound quality of music. Im thinking about getting a use mrx520, but would like to hear what other brands can come close to the sound of the Anthem. Sorry, did I ramble?
 
XEagleDriver

XEagleDriver

Audioholic Chief
What is your room's speaker configuration?

If only 5.x.0, you lose very little, only ability to expand to 7.1 and DD True / DTS Master uncompressed audio, IIRC.

Cheers,
XEagleDriver


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PHANofPHUNK

PHANofPHUNK

Full Audioholic
What is your room's speaker configuration?

If only 5.x.0, you lose very little, only ability to expand to 7.1 and DD True / DTS Master uncompressed audio, IIRC.

Cheers,
XEagleDriver


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my set up is 5.1
 
MaxInValrico

MaxInValrico

Senior Audioholic
I finally took the leap and got a lg C1. However I quickly realized that I created many headaches for my self. One, My Anthem MRX510 only has hdmi 1.4 as well at my laptop that is kinda the heart of the setup.

With the help of many of you I learned how to work with what I have. Currently Im using a roku pluged into the LG, and running audio out of the TV via optical. However it can only pass Doloby Digital. I would like to get back full resolution audio that a hdmi connection can offer.

My Main focus is on sound quality of music. Im thinking about getting a use mrx520, but would like to hear what other brands can come close to the sound of the Anthem. Sorry, did I ramble?
I believe you'll need to go to the MRX-x40 for HDMI 2.x
 
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Wardog555

Full Audioholic
Just because your current setup is 5.1 doesn't necessarily mean you only buy a 5.1 reciever. Is there's any possibility of ever adding more speakers for Dolby atmos then you want a minimum of 7 channels.
 
PHANofPHUNK

PHANofPHUNK

Full Audioholic
Just because your current setup is 5.1 doesn't necessarily mean you only buy a 5.1 reciever. Is there's any possibility of ever adding more speakers for Dolby atmos then you want a minimum of 7 channels.
That's true. However who is next in line for sound quality?
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
These days 7ch is just a basic avr, the 5ch versions tend to be lower ends of their model lines. I wouldn't call Anthem particularly great in terms of sq, just another avr in that respect. You will pay more for an Anthem for no particularly good reason, tho.
 
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PHANofPHUNK

PHANofPHUNK

Full Audioholic
These days 7ch is just a basic avr, the 5ch versions tend to be lower ends of their model lines. I wouldn't call Anthem particularly great in terms of sq, just another avr in that respect. You will pay more for an Anthem for no particularly good reason, tho.
OK let's start with this, what manufacturer should I avoid? Besides Pyle!
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
OK let's start with this, what manufacturer should I avoid? Besides Pyle!
For modern avr/pre-pros I'd just stick to the larger players and even that is getting sketchy what with the recent sale news for Sound United and the general difficulties of Onkyo/Pioneer. Maybe Yamaha is safest at this time but the market is changing as to what people are buying for gear....

ps Hanging with slightly older tech like I am doing, is fine :)
 
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Wardog555

Full Audioholic
Two brands I would avoid are Sony and onkyo. They are just cheap and lower quality. Two brands I do recommend are yamaha and denon and they are the two most popular choices out there.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Two brands I would avoid are Sony and onkyo. They are just cheap and lower quality. Two brands I do recommend are yamaha and denon and they are the two most popular choices out there.
Not a particular defender of Sony, but they tend not to participate in the room eq setup arena; their DCAC hasn't been particularly noteworthy from what I've seen commented on. Then again they seem to have basic decent quality and manual setup options as many, tho don't share a similar dB based volume scale compared to the major players.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Two brands I would avoid are Sony and onkyo. They are just cheap and lower quality. Two brands I do recommend are yamaha and denon and they are the two most popular choices out there.
Then again my cheap Sony avr (pre-hdmi) I got for a bedroom setup just keeps plugging along and "sounds" just fine; my Onkyo got repaired for the hdmi/network board issue for 2009-12 models....and is better than ever as heat has definitely been reduced. Whether these brands are audibly different from your favored brands, meh
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
That's true. However who is next in line for sound quality?
The sound quality of your system is largely determined by your speakers, and how they are set up and voiced to the room.

Most of a budget should be speakers, which you need to select carefully. The vast majority of speakers have significant defects. So you have to choose speakers very carefully. Gene mentioned in a recent video that people should choose their for ever speakers. I could not agree more. There is enough known now as to what will make a speaker sound good. The problem is the correct data is seldom available.

When it comes to electronics, what you really want is reliability and therefore longevity. That is why I strongly recommend external power amplification. Again you should be able with care to select your for ever amps.

Then you get to the front end. Peripherals also need selecting with care and the preamp. However AV in the home is not quite 20 years on. So this technology has been immature and evolving. I now feel it is reaching maturity. I think screen resolutions are as good as they need to be. Unless we get 3D from some spectacular advance video quality with a screen like your LG C class is as good as it needs to be. In domestic situations I think we have enough, and may be more than enough channels.

So we are approaching the time when pre/pros are also as good as they need to be, but some small evolutions will likely take place.

What I'm saying is that the current systems we are using are now close to maxed out.

So improvements now will require a change of practice. That change in practice will be active speakers with DSP for perfect time alignment. Likely connection will be Ethernet based rather than speaker wire. If latency and some other issues are solved, then connections could well be Wi-Fi.

I suspect many think I have spent a fortune on gear over the years, well I have not when you consider annual yearly budget, over almost seventy years now. What I have done, is bought for the long haul. I'm still using gear I have had for over 60 years. I have speakers in my system I designed and built 40 or more years ago, and they are still very good speakers. All the speakers in my system are for ever speakers.

What has changed are the front ends, in the last 15 to 20 years, as we have moved from a mature two channel audio world, to an evolving multichannel AV world.

So my advice to you is to concentrate on forever gear. Having to upgrade for reasons other than true evolution of standards, and maturing technology is costly in the long term.

So I would seriously look at forever amps. I would keep to no more then two amps in each case. So for instance, a good foundation in the electronics might be a 19" rack of QSC amps. They have a reputation of being built like a battleship.

For the front end I would recommend either a Marantz or Yamaha pre/pro. I have used Marantz, and been very pleased with them. They sound excellent. When it comes to electronics, you want to focus on build quality. Failures are a PITA and expensive. A failed unit has an SQ of zero.

Lastly make sure you have appropriate protection.

The bottom line is once you have your forever speakers, it is reliability you need to obsess about. In addition that will sort your SQ issues, as reliability is strongly associated with elegance of design, and that goes hand in hand with superior SQ.
 
PHANofPHUNK

PHANofPHUNK

Full Audioholic
Thank you all for your replies. I also don't care much for Sony or onkyo. I have a few Marantz, and I really enjoyed the sound of those. But when I got the Anthem the improvement in sound was amazing to me. I run paradigm monitor 9s, I Know that if I run a $5k Arcam, I probably wouldn't hear half the benifits of the unit. But if I had $12k bowers diamonds I'd probably get my moneys worth. So I wonder where my cut off should be for a receiver.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Thank you all for your replies. I also don't care much for Sony or onkyo. I have a few Marantz, and I really enjoyed the sound of those. But when I got the Anthem the improvement in sound was amazing to me. I run paradigm monitor 9s, I Know that if I run a $5k Arcam, I probably wouldn't hear half the benifits of the unit. But if I had $12k bowers diamonds I'd probably get my moneys worth. So I wonder where my cut off should be for a receiver.
If there was a difference in SQ, it had to be the power amps.

So what I am trying to tell you, if it is optimizing sound quality you really do need to consider separates. I think buying your for ever power amps is a good decision, especially economically. I would tend to buying 2 channel amps, rather than five. Two amps off one power supply is probably as many as you want.
The problem is that if one power amp fails in a receiver it takes down the whole unit. That is because more often than not a DC off set situation is created which shuts down the whole works.
The same with five channel power amps. I have a friend that has an Arcam five channel amp, and it is shut down. The auto diagnostics tell me that one amp has DC offset and shutting the whole works down. The problem is that it is too damn heavy to lift into my car and certainly too heavy to get on my work bench and work on it.

I'm certain if you bought a Marantz pre/pro and good external amps you would be delighted.
 
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sterling shoote

Audioholic Field Marshall
The sound quality of your system is largely determined by your speakers, and how they are set up and voiced to the room.

Most of a budget should be speakers, which you need to select carefully. The vast majority of speakers have significant defects. So you have to choose speakers very carefully. Gene mentioned in a recent video that people should choose their for ever speakers. I could not agree more. There is enough known now as to what will make a speaker sound good. The problem is the correct data is seldom available.

When it comes to electronics, what you really want is reliability and therefore longevity. That is why I strongly recommend external power amplification. Again you should be able with care to select your for ever amps.

Then you get to the front end. Peripherals also need selecting with care and the preamp. However AV in the home is not quite 20 years on. So this technology has been immature and evolving. I now feel it is reaching maturity. I think screen resolutions are as good as they need to be. Unless we get 3D from some spectacular advance video quality with a screen like your LG C class is as good as it needs to be. In domestic situations I think we have enough, and may be more than enough channels.

So we are approaching the time when pre/pros are also as good as they need to be, but some small evolutions will likely take place.

What I'm saying is that the current systems we are using are now close to maxed out.

So improvements now will require a change of practice. That change in practice will be active speakers with DSP for perfect time alignment. Likely connection will be Ethernet based rather than speaker wire. If latency and some other issues are solved, then connections could well be Wi-Fi.

I suspect many think I have spent a fortune on gear over the years, well I have not when you consider annual yearly budget, over almost seventy years now. What I have done, is bought for the long haul. I'm still using gear I have had for over 60 years. I have speakers in my system I designed and built 40 or more years ago, and they are still very good speakers. All the speakers in my system are for ever speakers.

What has changed are the front ends, in the last 15 to 20 years, as we have moved from a mature two channel audio world, to an evolving multichannel AV world.

So my advice to you is to concentrate on forever gear. Having to upgrade for reasons other than true evolution of standards, and maturing technology is costly in the long term.

So I would seriously look at forever amps. I would keep to no more then two amps in each case. So for instance, a good foundation in the electronics might be a 19" rack of QSC amps. They have a reputation of being built like a battleship.

For the front end I would recommend either a Marantz or Yamaha pre/pro. I have used Marantz, and been very pleased with them. They sound excellent. When it comes to electronics, you want to focus on build quality. Failures are a PITA and expensive. A failed unit has an SQ of zero.

Lastly make sure you have appropriate protection.

The bottom line is once you have your forever speakers, it is reliability you need to obsess about. In addition that will sort your SQ issues, as reliability is strongly associated with elegance of design, and that goes hand in hand with superior SQ.
Ditto!
 

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