The freedom convoy of antivaxers here in Canada are a bunch of facist pigs.

highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Yeah, I wouldn't think you would need one with that setup. Must have been hard to move on after those.
Oh, I cry a bit at night but I'm moving on.

I should have bought a different house, where I could use them. Totally spoiled me.
 
SithZedi

SithZedi

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Danzilla31

Audioholic Spartan
I endured the inane banter of Tweedledum and Tweedledummer as long as I could but I couldn't determine what $8,000,000 Trudeau is trying to steal.
The 8 million that got froze on Go Fund Me that got sent for the truckers I believe. Usually if that's blocked the funds go back to the people that sent the money

Now another fund me site has 7 million for the truckers and a judge is attempting to block that but this site is telling them to piss off they're going to send it anyway

That's as far as I can determine so far what's going on.

I think people were talking about using the go fund me 8 million for the gov to deal with the problem? But I don't think you can do that. You either get rid of the fund by giving the money back to the donors but you can't reappropriate it

I think that's what's going on
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Spartan
The 8 million that got froze on Go Fund Me that got sent for the truckers I believe. Usually if that's blocked the funds go back to the people that sent the money

Now another fund me site has 7 million for the truckers and a judge is attempting to block that but this site is telling them to piss off they're going to send it anyway

That's as far as I can determine so far what's going on.

I think people were talking about using the go fund me 8 million for the gov to deal with the problem? But I don't think you can do that. You either get rid of the fund by giving the money back to the donors but you can't reappropriate it

I think that's what's going on
That's what I was alluding to. GoFundMe is refunding the donations. The Canadian government is not trying to take it.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
While I don't agree with their motivations, I believe in their right to protest. On the flip side of the table, the concept of civil disobedience has been a major part of history forever and a day.

My issue is that law enforcement still has not just a right, but an obligation, to uphold the law. This means that if a truck stops and blocks a road, the driver can, and should be arrested, in the same manner someone chaining themselves to a tree can be hauled away in handcuffs. Arrest the truckers. Have their vehicles towed and impounded. Charge for bail. Charge for impoundment. Collect on the fines. Clear the streets.

This is something that I've heard for years from those who disagree with the issues brought up by protesters. "ARREST THEM!" - "THROW AWAY THE KEY!" - I have always agreed that those that cause civil disobedience certainly are doing so at their own peril. If they get arrested, so be it. They broke the law. Just like these truckers are.

It is time enforce the law. Not that much of a concept, but it seems like a foreign concept to all the news articles I am reading. Go figure. Arrest them, move the trucks.
 
Verdinut

Verdinut

Audioholic Spartan
I think he will (rightly) dismiss the opportunistic empty rhetoric coming from the left and right opposition parties. The Conservative and NDP leaders keep insisting that the government "do something", but can't articulate what that action should be.
Yeah! Most of the sanitary restrictions are governed by the provinces. The Federal Government's Covid restrictions only relate to the people getting in and the ones traveling out.
 
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Danzilla31

Audioholic Spartan
While I don't agree with their motivations, I believe in their right to protest. On the flip side of the table, the concept of civil disobedience has been a major part of history forever and a day.

My issue is that law enforcement still has not just a right, but an obligation, to uphold the law. This means that if a truck stops and blocks a road, the driver can, and should be arrested, in the same manner someone chaining themselves to a tree can be hauled away in handcuffs. Arrest the truckers. Have their vehicles towed and impounded. Charge for bail. Charge for impoundment. Collect on the fines. Clear the streets.

This is something that I've heard for years from those who disagree with the issues brought up by protesters. "ARREST THEM!" - "THROW AWAY THE KEY!" - I have always agreed that those that cause civil disobedience certainly are doing so at their own peril. If they get arrested, so be it. They broke the law. Just like these truckers are.

It is time enforce the law. Not that much of a concept, but it seems like a foreign concept to all the news articles I am reading. Go figure. Arrest them, move the trucks.
I agree but it's the same issue we had with the protests here in America over the last 2 years. And I used to say with those protests there breaking the law blocking the streets! Arrest them!

But a great point was brought up to me that has me really kindoff changing my tune. Or at least thinking about it. It's not really a protest if it's not disrupting local government is it?

I mean I cant stand BLM the organization just a bunch of money hoarding grifters but I do support BLM the movement. There are issues with law enforcement in our country

What I'm getting at is BLM the movement had been doing all that protesting on spaces set aside for years and guess what kindoff attention they got? Zero. It's not until they became more disruptive that they got attention

Mind you I'm not advocating for burning down cities and businesses I'm more saying when they took it to the streets put it more in people's faces the government had to pay attention

Which brings up the question if you just meekly go into a safe space the government assigns you is it really a protest? Martin Luther King marched through streets he was disruptive. He just wasn't violent.

Seems like that's the line the truckers are trying to straddle disrupt the government but stay nonviolent. Its a smart approach. And very difficult for any democratic government to counter

Personally I agree with you arrest them impound them fine them prosecute them this stuff would be done in a day. But you would have to do that to all protests when they cross certain lines and you'd have to have the fortitude to do it.

Not sure these governments lately are willing to go there
 
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Danzilla31

Audioholic Spartan
That's what I was alluding to. GoFundMe is refunding the donations. The Canadian government is not trying to take it.
Yeah I agree I think people just made some comments that blew that up without fact checking

But I can't help but wonder what GoFundMe was thinking with this. They let that fund build up to 8 million before they got involved?

They really if that was there stance this is not an appropriate cause to donate too shut it down way before that.

I think GoFundMe is getting scrutiny from some people for that. Why did they let it get so far before they did anything about it?
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
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Personally I agree with you arrest them impound them fine them prosecute them this stuff would be done in a day. But you would have to do that to all protests when they cross certain lines and you'd have to have the fortitude to do it.

Not sure these governments lately are willing to go there
Similar mindset from me. But, at the end, I think the government should be arresting the people who are breaking the law. On both sides. Charge them as appropriate. Let the courts figure it out. It isn't super simple. It's hard. But, at this point, a lot of people are now going to be out of a job. We have a legal right to protest. But social disorder gets noticed... and it often gets appropriately punished. I've never hated that concept.
 
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Mr._Clark

Audioholic Samurai
I agree but it's the same issue we had with the protests here in America over the last 2 years. And I used to say with those protests there breaking the law blocking the streets! Arrest them!

But a great point was brought up to me that has me really kindoff changing my tune. Or at least thinking about it. It's not really a protest if it's not disrupting local government is it?

I mean I cant stand BLM the organization just a bunch of money hoarding grifters but I do support BLM the movement. There are issues with law enforcement in our country

What I'm getting at is BLM the movement had been doing all that protesting on spaces set aside for years and guess what kindoff attention they got? Zero. It's not until they became more disruptive that they got attention

Mind you I'm not advocating for burning down cities and businesses I'm more saying when they took it to the streets put it more in people's faces the government had to pay attention

Which brings up the question if you just meekly go into a safe space the government assigns you is it really a protest? Martin Luther King marched through streets he was disruptive. He just wasn't violent.

Seems like that's the line the truckers are trying to straddle disrupt the government but stay nonviolent. Its a smart approach. And very difficult for any democratic government to counter

Personally I agree with you arrest them impound them fine them prosecute them this stuff would be done in a day. But you would have to do that to all protests when they cross certain lines and you'd have to have the fortitude to do it.

Not sure these governments lately are willing to go there
People can choose to break laws to get attention, but their desire for attention does not create an exception to laws (at least not that I'm aware of, perahps the laws in Canada are different).

One could argue that breaking the law is justified in a given case, but that still doesn't change the law.
 
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Danzilla31

Audioholic Spartan
People can choose to break laws to get attention, but their desire for attention does not create an exception to laws (at least not that I'm aware of, perahps the laws in Canada are different).

One could argue that breaking the law is justified in a given case, but that still doesn't change the law.
I do 100% agree with you it does seem like governments are being choosy about how they are going to enforce the law both at the state and federal levels the last 2 years or so

Personally I think that's coming back to bite them in the butt over here in the States a little bit at least
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
Trudeau getting pressure from both sides. Not a good place to be.
his bumbling and stumbling is no different than Biden, did you see the interview with Lester Holt yesterday ? and this guy is the leader of the free world ?? pathetic !!
 
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