Denon Firmware Update November 11, 2021

Oski1997

Oski1997

Audioholic Intern
Does anyone know what firmware# 6420-0151-8186-1000 adds to the Denon receivers? I got the update this morning. Do you guys think it has anything to do with Disney+ adding IMAX Enhanced content to their Marvel movies tomorrow?

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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
You can check out Denon's Japan site perhaps, believe they still are detailing firmware update info (you'll have to apply a translator tho). I generally ignore firmware updates, but not expecting any additional feature/bug fixes myself otoh. I generally turn updates off and do it carefully....have seen too many reports of bricking while doing wifi updates for example....
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
You can check out Denon's Japan site perhaps, believe they still are detailing firmware update info (you'll have to apply a translator tho). I generally ignore firmware updates, but not expecting any additional feature/bug fixes myself otoh. I generally turn updates off and do it carefully....have seen too many reports of bricking while doing wifi updates for example....
You specified wifi. Does bricking seem more common with specifically wifi updates vs hardwired? That does seem to make some amount of sense as there's a higher chance of interruption I'd think. Mine is hardwired.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
You specified wifi. Does bricking seem more common with specifically wifi updates vs hardwired? That does seem to make some amount of sense as there's a higher chance of interruption I'd think. Mine is hardwired.
Yes, that's the essence of it and with the number of interruptions I see in streaming....the most important one I wanted a while back (to update an installed app for Spotify) I did via usb to play it safe (but no hardwire internet connection for the avr).
 
Oski1997

Oski1997

Audioholic Intern
For any of you who are interested. Disney+ is showing Marvel movies in IMAX Enhanced 1.90:1 format a day early. It’s available NOW. I just watched Dr. Strange. Unfortunately, Samsung TVs, xBox and Apple TV broadcast it in Dolby Atmos. Maybe someone with an Nvidia Shield can tell us if they can hear it in DTS-X IMAX-E mode.
 
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Bruce53

Full Audioholic
I don't see any difference with brief viewing other than Atmos, which did not see on Disney+ before. It definitely does not hit the IMAX Enhanced flag..
Also checked and there was no update on my reciever (8500HA)
 
Oski1997

Oski1997

Audioholic Intern
Does anyone know what firmware# 6420-0151-8186-1000 adds to the Denon receivers? I got the update this morning. Do you guys think it has anything to do with Disney+ adding IMAX Enhanced content to their Marvel movies tomorrow?

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I don't see any difference with brief viewing other than Atmos, which did not see on Disney+ before. It definitely does not hit the IMAX Enhanced flag..
Also checked and there was no update on my reciever (8500HA)
Did you check to see if your TV was on the Disney+ list of supported IMAX-E TVs?I saw the 1.90:1 ratio when I watched Dr Strange last night. The colors were more vibrant too. I tested the Disney+ app on my xBox, Apple TV, and Nvidia Shield. xBox had the best audio out of the three. Apple TV and Nvidia Shield sounded and looked way more subdued. I think the only way to hit the IMAX-E flag is to watch movies on the Bravia Core app on 2021 Sony TV. I am definitely buying the 2022 update of the Sony TV when the hdmi 2.1 ports will be more stable.
 
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Bruce53

Full Audioholic
The new 10 rings movie showed 1.90:1 ratio, but other Marvel shows listed as IMAX E did not, at least not in the first minute of so of each. Don't know if it would show up intermittently in the shows later than the beginning.
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
Sounds like a can of worms without some level matching at least :)
The most obvious is with bass. Even if the levels aren't closely matched, the other 2 are completely devoid of any bass. Almost like there is no .1 content.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
The most obvious is with bass. Even if the levels aren't closely matched, the other 2 are completely devoid of any bass. Almost like there is no .1 content.
Interesting, sounds like a project to investigate as to why that would be....
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
Interesting, sounds like a project to investigate as to why that would be....
There's bass in all of them, but on pc and firetv it sounds like stuff that's upmixed from stereo. I'll bet a dollar there's a setting I'm missing somewhere but I can't figure it out.

* PS, It happens with Plex for me. I haven't dug into other stuff yet, but it was Plex that I noticed it.
*PPS, hey did you see Porcupine Tree announced another album?
 
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stsxt05

Audiophyte
Does anyone know what firmware# 6420-0151-8186-1000 adds to the Denon receivers? I got the update this morning. Do you guys think it has anything to do with Disney+ adding IMAX Enhanced content to their Marvel movies tomorrow?

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Disney is a stream that only offers IMAX in part, true IMAX enhanced includes a load of audio changes too . I use a Denon 4500h AVR , in my Denon menu, and using a source disc playing a true IMAX enhanced movie which is played on my Panasonic 820 I leverage the AVR which has full IMAX capability. This only occurs when you play an IMAX disc as it triggers extra settings. This is why streaming isn’t the right way to go as you only get a compromised experience, for true IMAX you have to have an IMAX capable AVR not a streaming set top box or tv . Denon produces a number of AVRs that are IMAX capable, along with others such as Marantz and Onkyo, you unfortunately cannot derive full IMAX enhanced from eArc , TVs or the likes of Disney+, Netflix etc, all of whom offer a part only presentation of the IMAX medium. IMAX audio is very different and you need a significant speaker configuration to appreciate it, the audio from IMAX is a cry down version of what you hear at an IMAX cinema, only cut down as an IMAX cinema has a huge number of speakers to deliver the extra sound channels and deeper base, Im running a 7.2.4 (11.2processing) to try and get as close as possible.
IMAX Enhanced soundtracks differ from most DTS:X soundtracks in two ways: they contain an audio object and they are pre bass managed.
IMAX theatrical soundtracks have 12 channels: typical 7.1.4 plus an Upper Centre speaker at the top of the (tall) IMAX screen. The IMAX Enhanced program brings the IMAX theatrical version of a movie to home video using the DTS:X format. Since the DTS:X format doesn't have a speaker location at the top of the screen, the IMAX 12th channel (Upper Centre) is encoded as an object in 3D space. That's one way IMAX Enhanced soundtracks are different from most DTS:X soundtracks.
IMAX theatrical soundtracks don't contain a LFE channel; they're 12.0 channels, not 11.1 channels. IMAX movie theatres feed their subs via bass management: all the channels are high passed at 70Hz using a 24dB per octave filter and everything below that range goes to the subwoofer. The crossovers in most consumer devices are 12dB per octave. So all the channels (and lone object) on an IMAX Enhanced disc come already high-passed at 70Hz using a 12dB per octave filter and everything below that range goes to the .1 channel.
When played back at home, the 12dB crossover in the receiver is combined with the 12dB filtered soundtrack to sum to a 24dB per octave high pass at 70Hz. Exactly like in an IMAX theatre. So that's another way IMAX Enhanced soundtracks are different from DTS:X soundtracks.
Disney is not able or offering DTS X which is needed to send IMAX theatrical sound, their offer is aspect changes only.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Anyone who has an AVR should make sure the updates ARE NOT downloaded automatically- wait until the updates have been proved usable, looking for info before proceeding.

Also, the vast majority of download/streaming problems occur because too many people think that strong signal strength means the WiFi is working properly- that's not true. High signal strength doesn't mean the throughput will be adequate. ALWAYS do a speed test with a smart phone or tablet AT the AVR's antenna location before trying to download or stream- it will save a lot of time and prevent frustration.

ALWAYS hardwire network-enabled equipment if it has an ethernet port.

WiFi is for convenience, hardwired is for performance.
 
Teetertotter?

Teetertotter?

Audioholic Chief
Since 2006 and on my 3rd Denon as of summer 2021, I have had Wi-Fi hooked up to my AVR's with auto updating and NO issues. My ATT Wi-Fi gateway is 4 feet away from the Denon AVR, located in the basement.

I have woken up at 2am and Denon is sending new software to the Denon AVR. The AUTO Update stays ON.
 
Verdinut

Verdinut

Audioholic Spartan
You specified wifi. Does bricking seem more common with specifically wifi updates vs hardwired? That does seem to make some amount of sense as there's a higher chance of interruption I'd think. Mine is hardwired.
Wi-Fi firmware updating is risky. We should always have it updated via connected ethernet cable. I experienced that problem recently and I had to reset the AVR with a new firmware update downloading.
 

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