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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Ah yes... Buy-Wiring... Another largely wasteful pursuit.

@PENG , I think you mentioned there may be a case where bi-wiring helps with some impedance issue (???). Would you comment on that please? :)
Sorry I don't recall saying anything like that..

I likely have said bi-wiring could make a difference (insignificant though) in terms of electrical theory but that's would be on paper only, nothing significant enough to make an audible difference assuming wire size is not the issue.
 
ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Overlord
Sorry I don't recall saying anything like that..

I likely have said bi-wiring could make a difference (insignificant though) in terms of electrical theory but that's would be on paper only, nothing significant enough to make an audible difference assuming wire size is not the issue.
Agree, you did not suggest that it was anything audible, but electrical behavior only. ‘‘Twas a while back. ;) Don’t even know why I remember it. Perhaps it was just because somebody suggested there could possibly be a check mark in the "for" category. *shrugs
 
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AVP

Enthusiast
Ok. Here’s another. Just purchased a used Anthem M1. I’m planning on using that for my center channel. Looking at the Anthem A2 to run my LR speakers. Will I have problems with this. Or should I track down a couple more M1’s. I’m looking at an AVM50 for my processor.
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
3 ports. Came with 1 plug.
Got any pics? I don't recall SVS offering a passive sub either, musta been a while ago. What you describe sounds right solid tho. I'll bet it's still a good sub. What kind of amplification are you using?
 
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Leemix

Audioholic General
Ok. Here’s another. Just purchased a used Anthem M1. I’m planning on using that for my center channel. Looking at the Anthem A2 to run my LR speakers. Will I have problems with this. Or should I track down a couple more M1’s. I’m looking at an AVM50 for my processor.
Should be perfectly fine


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AVP

Enthusiast
Keeps telling me the picture file is too large to process. It came from SVS with a Samson 1000. If you have tips on posting pictures let me know. And yes. It does thumb.
 
Verdinut

Verdinut

Audioholic Spartan
Keeps telling me the picture file is too large to process. It came from SVS with a Samson 1000. If you have tips on posting pictures let me know. And yes. It does thumb.
The picture file size has to be less than 1 mb. 950k should work.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Agree, you did not suggest that it was anything audible, but electrical behavior only. ‘‘Twas a while back. ;) Don’t even know why I remember it. Perhaps it was just because somebody suggested there could possibly be a check mark in the "for" category. *shrugs
Probably because someone (in fact many) were saying bi-wire or not, the sum of the currents reaching the speaker would be exactly the same, quoting the "superposition theorem" (The Audio Critic being one of those). The fact is, it has nothing to do with superposition theorem, but it is true that the current flow to the speaker would be the same either way so it that sense I agreed with the Audio Critic.

The point they missed though, was that the "believers" never say anything about the total current from the amp to the speaker would be different, but rather, the current in the bi-wire scenario would have two separate paths for the low and high frequency currents between the amp's binding post and the speaker's binding posts due to the different impedance enforced at the speaker end by the crossover network being separated into 2 sections when the jumpers are removed. So you are right, good memory, I did mention the word "impedance", to try and explain why the two pairs of wire would carry different currents. Again, at the speaker end the combined currents total would be the same. I don't know what would be a practical analogy, but it could be like person A, a skinny girl and person B, a 450 lb guy each travel in a separate 2 seater mini for the skinny one and a big SUV for the 450 lb man vs the two travel in the same 2 seater mini. At the destination they would enter the same house, still only two people, no more no less. :D The difference would be, the skinny girl will arrive unscathed in the separate vehicle scenario. I know that don't make much sense but I tried, and its a hot Sunday afternoon..

A better explanation can be found here, and I must have posted it way way back too, in one of those old debates. Disclaimer: I believe Vandersteen exaggerated the effects of the electromagnet field, and the back EMF, I have never seen any studies that quantity the electromagnetic effects, let alone any audible effects. It is my belief that as long as you use the right wire size, there will be no audible benefits whatsoever for bi-wiring passive speakers.

Vandersteen Audio High End Speakers | Vandersteen Audio

"The benefits of bi-wiring are most obvious in the midrange and treble. The low-current signal to the midrange and tweeter drivers does not have to travel on the same wire as the high-current woofer signal. The field fluctuations and signal regeneration of the high-current low-frequencies are prevented from distorting or masking the low-current high-frequencies. The back EMF (Electro-Mechanical Force) from the large woofer cannot affect the small-signal upper frequencies since they do not share the same wires.

The effects of bi-wiring are not subtle. The improvements are large enough that a bi-wire set of moderately priced cable will usually sound better than a single run of more expensive cable."
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi



The effects of bi-wiring are not subtle. The improvements are large enough that a bi-wire set of moderately priced cable will usually sound better than a single run of more expensive cable."
LOL. Vandersteen's a bit of a wire nut, or his wire nut is screwed on a bit too tight perhaps.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
LOL. Vandersteen's a bit of a wire nut, or his wire nut is screwed on a bit too tight perhaps.
Yep, super wire nut indeed. I do give them the credit for having actually done their study with experiments as well as measurements, and specified more details such as the crossover design and the distance separated the LF and HF pair of wires, though they should publish the results for all to see. Also, for the theory to be more credible, they should have specified the length of the wires for the effects to be audible (as claimed). Imagine if the wire length is only 12 inch or less!

Their rationale appears sound based on electrical theory, but the claimed effects most likely won't result in audible effects. If they were, there would have been ample DBT results published.
 
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