Should Home Theater Embrace Gaming to Save the Industry?

[Auditor55]

It’s an editorial by Jerry. Not Gene.
I would love to hear @gene ’s opinion here… tbh.
Regardless, your opinion is valid. As are those of us commenting that your opinion is shortsighted. Also when challenged by a differing viewpoint, you retreat to the premise that gaming technology will hurt tv technology.
This is why you are being challenged at every turn: you haven’t responded with anything other than that (or denigrating gamers)… even when invited.

It doesn't matter, he posted on his platform and gave his own opinion. Yes, I'm giving my opinion, it's an opinion piece.

 

[Trebdp83]

You do know some TVs, UHD discs and players do not support Dolby Vision. Are the owners of these devices not serious about home theater? A home theater enthusiast can also be an enthusiastic gamer. It’s not always about the highest score. I just spent some time on Bioshock this morning. Still an amazing game after a decade because of the audio, video, acting and writing. I could wander around Rapture all day and marvel at the visuals and movement of sound. If manufacturers can’t handle quality panels with increased performance while also dealing with HDMI and HDCP standards, any resulting ruin is on them. Just nonsense to blame gamers. Besides, new tech will be along soon enough to moan over. Didn’t the Beta vs VHS people finally move on? So should we all.

 

[Trebdp83]

So you're saying it's clickbait?

Isn’t everything, really?

 

[ryanosaur]

he posted on his platform and gave his own opinion

???
Gene introduced Jerry’s article. As usual, the Op is a quote from the beginning of the article. I have not seen Gene opine on any of this. If you have, please direct me to it.
Cheers.

 

[Pogre]

The people here are Audioholics that game, not the other way around. BTW, the title of this thread is:

Should Home Theater Embrace Gaming to Save the Industry?

That very topic is a solicitation for our opinions on the subject and not data. So it's very relevant and appropriate to offer my opinion here. It just seems you have a problem if that opinion differs from your own.

So now we're on to sophistry? Lol.

You're suggesting a lack of knowledge among gamers equates to not preferring superior pq? That just doesn't follow, therefore making it irrelevant. How about instead of asking only gamers you go to Joe public and just ask general passers by. I'll bet it's not only gamers that are unaware of your black crush... well, except for the "enlightened viewers"...

You should tell Gene it's a false dichotomy, he's the starter of this thread. He clearly places the gamer and the HT Theater buff into separate and even different demographic categories.

No he doesn't. You did that by limiting the premise to only 2 options when there are more available. That's a textbook definition of a false dichotomy! A fallacy, just like the rest of your arguments thus far, and you've been typing up a parade of them. Well I'll tell ya, a hundred fallacies don't add up to a single fact. Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it so. This is just another dishonest deflection.

Because the manufacturers are going to make what the people want. If people demand 10 HDMI 2.1 240HZ displays and reject great displays with accurate colors, bright, great motion handling, and upscaling great shadow detail in favor of displays without it, it will ultimately ruin the market because we will see more flawed displays.

That's a total dodge and didn't even come close to answering my question. I repeat, how would adding gamer friendly features ruin your top pick for best pq?

 

[Auditor55]

You do know some TVs, UHD discs and players do not support Dolby Vision. Are the owners of these devices not serious about home theater? A home theater enthusiast can also be an enthusiastic gamer. It’s not always about the highest score. I just spent some time on Bioshock this morning. Still an amazing game after a decade because of the audio, video, acting and writing. I could wander around Rapture all day and marvel at the visuals and movement of sound. If manufacturers can’t handle quality panels with increased performance while also dealing with HDMI and HDCP standards, any resulting ruin is on them. Just nonsense to blame gamers. Besides, new tech will be along soon enough to moan over. Didn’t the Beta vs VHS people finally move on? So should we all.

That's only because some companies stop manufacturing UHD players, Oppo, Samsung, Pioneer, etc due to the popularity of streaming, the optical disc is being made obsolete. Most hardcore HT enthusiasts will own a UHD player with Dolby Vision playback if they're available for purchase.

If gaming is your thing, enjoy and I won't knock you for loving gaming. I'm just saying I have my concerns when the hordes of gamers come into the HT world.

 

[Pogre]

It doesn't matter, he posted on his platform and gave his own opinion. Yes, I'm giving my opinion, it's an opinion piece.

Yup! Good thing I'm here to point out all the fallacies in your reasoning that leads to that opinion, huh?

 

[Trell]

That's only because some companies stop manufacturing UHD players, Oppo, Samsung, Pioneer, etc due to the popularity of streaming, the optical disc is being made obsolete. Most hardcore HT enthusiasts will own a UHD player with Dolby Vision playback if they're available for purchase.

If gaming is your thing, enjoy and I won't knock you for loving gaming. I'm just saying I have my concerns when the hordes of gamers come into the HT world.

I only have the lowly Oppo BDP-93EU that can't even play UHD discs, so I can't be hardcore at all

 

[Auditor55]

???
Gene introduced Jerry’s article. As usual, the Op is a quote from the beginning of the article. I have not seen Gene opine on any of this. If you have, please direct me to it.
Cheers.

OK, you tell me why he posted it and started this thread on his platform, just clickbait as the other posted was implying? In my opinion, he wants us to have this debate.

 

[Auditor55]

I only have the lowly Oppo BDP-93EU that can't even play UHD discs, so I can't be hardcore at all

If Oppo had a UHD player available like the 203 would you purchase one if you could?

 

[Trebdp83]

So, Samsung TV owners aren’t hardcore with HDR10+ instead of Dolby Vision? There isn’t, and never will be the perfect device supporting ALL of the audio/video standards of the day. That is by design.

 

[Trell]

If Oppo had a UHD player available like the 203 would you purchase one if you could?

My intention was to buy a new Oppo player when I replaced my old Panasonic plasma TV with an OLED, but now Oppo is gone, sadly. Had some hopes that Pioneer player would work out as a new universal player, but that has not happened with them in financial troubles.

The OLED looks great, though, even when playing 1080p blue-ray.

 

[Trebdp83]

There is no reason to debate anything. There are a great many gamers who want AVRs and TVs to optimize the gaming experience. AVR and TV manufacturers have started including the features to do so with varying degrees of success. If quality of hardware takes a hit, look to HDMI, HDCP and the cost of licensing for things to blame. I think the title of the thread needs to be changed. “Can AV manufacturers include top notch gaming features in their products without ruining the AV experience that already comes up short?

 

[ryanosaur]

In my opinion, he wants us to have this debate

On this we can agree.

OK, you tell me why he posted it and started this thread on his platform, just clickbait as the other posted was implying?

I am not Gene, nor Jerry. I cannot tell you what may or may not be going through their respective minds.
Considering that Jerry has written more than a few of these with a relatively tone deaf regard to those of us not living in mansions in Beverly Hills or wherever he called home in the greater LA area, all I'm willing to give you is that he and Gene may have discussed a topic for an article, and Jerry ran with it.
Beyond that, what does it matter?
Is every news organization, for example, truly responsible for opinion pieces/Editorials? As I recall, the good organizations say the view point expressed is not necessarily reflected by the News Organization as a whole. AH is not a news orginization, and I do not hold Gene to the standard that I hold other journalists. That said, Gene is not Fox News or Left Wing equivalent spouting propaganda as fact. He has some leeway, and if he chooses to not state his own opinion, which he hasn't, that is his prerogative.

 

[Pogre]

Oh and btw, only either pq or gaming features is also a false dichotomy.

Unless it's absolutely impossible to have both...

 

[ryanosaur]

I think the title of the thread needs to be changed. “Can AV manufacturers include top notch gaming features in their products without ruining the AV experience that already comes up short?

OOOOOOOOHHHHHH! This!

@gene , can you get somebody on this one? @Wayde Robson perhaps?

 

[Auditor55]

So now we're on to sophistry? Lol.

You're suggesting a lack of knowledge among gamers equates to not preferring superior pq? That just doesn't follow, therefore making it irrelevant. How about instead of asking only gamers you go to Joe public and just ask general passers by. I'll bet it's not only gamers that are unaware of your black crush... well, except for the "enlightened viewers"...

No he doesn't. You did that by limiting the premise to only 2 options when there are more available. That's a textbook definition of a false dichotomy! A fallacy, just like the rest of your arguments thus far, and you've been typing up a parade of them. Well I'll tell ya, a hundred fallacies don't add up to a single fact. Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it so. This is just another dishonest deflection.

That's a total dodge and didn't even come close to answering my question. I repeat, how would adding gamer friendly features ruin your top pick for best pq?

Here again, the topic of this thread: "Should Home Theater Embrace Gaming to Save the Industry?

In truth, at this time, there is no absolute objective answer to this question, however, for some strange reason you seem to think that it is. Here the poster, which happens to be Gene, is soliciting our opinions, why can't you admit that? You keep demanding some facts or something. Either you think, believe, or feel that Home Theater should embrace the gaming industry or you don't, and your reasons for having that opinion. This isn't a question that demands a fact-based answer. I personally don't believe HT should embrace the gaming industry and I have stated my reason for believing so.

Please don't try to separate Gene from what you call a "false dichotomy" even though he did not write it and no he isn't acting in the capacity of an Editor of a publication here. This is an opinion piece and not journalistic. Gene posted this on his platform in the same manner as when some retweets a tweet on Twitter.

How about instead of asking only gamers you go to Joe public and just ask general passers by. I'll bet it's not only gamers that are unaware of your black crush..

My concerns are regarding the gamers vs the HT enthusiasts. Joe Public typically isn't classified as enthusiasts. So I won't ask them because they are not in the relevant demographic that will be impacted the most by this type of convergence being discussed here.

 

[Auditor55]

My intention was to buy a new Oppo player when I replaced my old Panasonic plasma TV with an OLED, but now Oppo is gone, sadly. Had some hopes that Pioneer player would work out as a new universal player, but that has not happened with them in financial troubles.

The OLED looks great, though, even when playing 1080p blue-ray.

Are you a gamer?

 

[Auditor55]

Oh and btw, only either pq or gaming features is also a false dichotomy.

Unless it's absolutely impossible to have both...

Well, do manufacturers ever give you all or both?

 

[Trell]

Are you a gamer?

I play games on my PC now and then, but I would not call me an avid gamer.