Second “Thoughts”

Streak01

Streak01

Junior Audioholic
There's a lot of detail to consider. We see all too often someone posting up who bought something based on let's say poor assumptions and not working out as envisioned. Much better to flesh it out and understand the differences/trade-offs with the myriad gear out there. Lots of glorified sales type info about gear as well as downright snakeoil to make it even more confusing. Can take a while to sift thru. Throwing money at things isn't necessarily a good thing in audio, tho, you can do quite well with a modest budget.

I remember when NuForce made a splash, think they put out some decent solid gear at a good price....IIRC Optoma bought them and haven't heard much about them since. Monitor Audio makes some very nice speakers, but like many things, depends on model and the suitability of the model to your needs. The MA speakers you mentioned are small bookshelf models and really should be supported by a sub IMO. You might not be a bassoholic like myself and could live without....YMMV. Generally takes a much larger speaker (no replacement for displacement as they say) to provide deeper bass in appreciable quantities without a subwoofer and often fairly expensive to boot. Whether you need appreciable quantities is another matter, I like being able to altho I limit the spl (sound pressure level) generally these days. I do like gear that helps integrate subs, tho....and much two ch gear does not.

With an amp you still need a pre-amp in that amp alone is generally taken for a power amp. An integrated amp is a pre-amp and amp in one box. A receiver adds other functionality, originally radio tuner, but now often more digital/internet based integration.

In the area of active speakers my only experience is with a pair of JBL LSR305s I got for I think $180 the pair or so and based on generally good comments and measurements. I quite like them and think would be quite a bit better than the Audioengine models you have. I run them off an old 2ch pre-amp so I can use a few different sources with them, an Audio Chromecast to stream to, and an optical disc player. There is a little bit of hiss I can hear if nothing is playing if I sit close to the speakers, but not how I use them in that room, more like 5 ft away and think they're fairly terrific in that small room (a bit shy of 13 x 10). Somewhat comes with active speakers to a degree but if not on your desk there are some terrific choices out there, some like Shady mentioned in the other thread (he's our speaker reviewer btw). I've even used just the Audio Chromecast unit with the speakers directly....a bit funky with a volume control on each speaker but they're indented positions for volume so not bad to set up identically. I can stream to the Audio Chromecast unit from my phone or computer.

Would you like to have other than modern streaming convenience? Digital sources only? Want to use a disc player? Turntable?
Thanks for detail. No turntable or disk player. Just phone or computer streaming. I did rethink about my music choices and believe a subwoofer is needed.

Let’s start from the speakers. Given budget for overall system is $1000 and I want 2 speakers for mids and highs and a sub for lows …. Does this requirement determine if the 2 speakers for mids and lows are passive ?


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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Thanks for detail. No turntable or disk player. Just phone or computer streaming. I did rethink about my music choices and believe a subwoofer is needed.

Let’s start from the speakers. Given budget for overall system is $1000 and I want 2 speakers for mids and highs and a sub for lows …. Does this requirement determine if the 2 speakers for mids and lows are passive ?


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Not particularly. Most subs are self powered via a plate amp (or matching rack type amp), but you'd still need to buy something to amplify the passive speakers with.....the sub wouldn't power those passive speakers, tho.

You can also use active speakers with a sub....for example, for the JBL LSR305s I have there's a matching 310 subwoofer that can even provide a basic crossover function (and that same sub works with the slightly larger LSR308 speakers too). Other subs can work with them too, tho. Just depends on the feature set somewhat for connectivity/integration purposes.

$1k is doable either way with your fairly minimal requirements. You need something like a streamer/dac with volume control essentially.
 
Streak01

Streak01

Junior Audioholic
@lovinthehd I greatly appreciate all the time you have taken. If you had the same requirements / budget / room layout … what direction would you go?


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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
No problem explaining stuff, glad if it helps. Hard for specific suggestions somewhat as I'm not really shopping for such a system (I've got tons of stuff already) and picking speakers for someone is hard, its so subjective. I shared my only active speaker experience and would suggest you check out the JBL LSR308s too I have over 30 passive speakers in the house and a variety of amplification to run them with. Do you have any places you can go and listen to speakers to get an idea of what's available in your price range? Might look thru this article https://www.audioholics.com/recommended-systems/2014-1000-two-channel-stereo-recommended-system

I'd trust shadyj's active/powered speaker suggestions and as a matter of fact I was just a few minutes ago looking around for the Motu M2 (and first few sites were out of stock). I'd also take a look at various reviews in this area of audiosciencereview and maybe sign up and start a thread there as I think they have more guys using those sorts of setups than here, particularly active speakers.

For subs for me the starting point is more like the $500 range (altho these days I just build my own). But fairly competent subs for modest music only needs can be had for lesser amounts like the Dayton SUB1200 which has reviewed/measured well and have also read many positive comments from users here and in other audio groups/fora.
 
Eppie

Eppie

Audioholic Ninja
The Dayton Sub1200 is likely a good option as it will leave more money for main speakers but you can always add a sub later. The powered speakers Shadyj mentioned have decent bass response for their size and may be enough for your needs. With passives I think you'll be more likely to need a sub but the Dayton is only $165 so not a deal breaker. Are you still considering the Motu M2 and powered speakers? If you're leaning towards passive speakers then a little research on integrated amps with streaming support is needed.
 
Streak01

Streak01

Junior Audioholic
The Dayton Sub1200 is likely a good option as it will leave more money for main speakers but you can always add a sub later. The powered speakers Shadyj mentioned have decent bass response for their size and may be enough for your needs. With passives I think you'll be more likely to need a sub but the Dayton is only $165 so not a deal breaker. Are you still considering the Motu M2 and powered speakers? If you're leaning towards passive speakers then a little research on integrated amps with streaming support is needed.
I will go with whichever gives me best bang for the buck. If moto m2 and active speakers from those suggested will work I can definitely go that route. If additional research investment for passive system will result in better sound quality and still put me in budget I will research.

I was intimidated by motu m2 videos but think it was due to professionals talking about recording.


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Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
I wanted to be a little more involved in this thread but some of the suggestions are outside my experience. I do trust Shady's suggestions tho. He's helped me out before and never led me wrong. My whole system is passive except for 2 subs and more complicated than you're looking for so I just kinda slid into spectator mode. Hang in there with us.

I feel kinda bad because you had your sites set on a simple, complete 2 channel system and here we are a week later and still unsure... lol. I do think it was good that you came here to ask tho, and am very confident you're gonna end up with something better than what you were looking at. I think it's worth the time and effort to research and spend smart. I really like that you moved some stuff around in the room too, to better accommodate proper positioning. It does look much better.
 
Streak01

Streak01

Junior Audioholic
I wanted to be a little more involved in this thread but some of the suggestions are outside my experience. I do trust Shady's suggestions tho. He's helped me out before and never led me wrong. My whole system is passive except for 2 subs and more complicated than you're looking for so I just kinda slid into spectator mode. Hang in there with us.

I feel kinda bad because you had your sites set on a simple, complete 2 channel system and here we are a week later and still unsure... lol. I do think it was good that you came here to ask tho, and am very confident you're gonna end up with something better than what you were looking at. I think it's worth the time and effort to research and spend smart. I really like that you moved some stuff around in the room too, to better accommodate proper positioning. It does look much better.
Don't feel bad at all... I'm very happy that folks are helping me learn.. I think the room will do much better now for listening!
 
Streak01

Streak01

Junior Audioholic
For a nice 2 channel system, I would be looking at a Motu M2 interface combined with something like a Kali IN-8, Presonus Eris E8 XT, or an Adam Audio T8V. All of those speakers should have a good response, and decent bass extension. They are all powered, so you don't need to buy an amp. The Motu has a very high-quality DAC for the price. The advantage of these systems over the passive speaker system that are being suggested is that these will have a more accurate response. They will also have a wider dynamic range. Passive speakers in the same price point can't really compete in terms of sound quality. The disadvantage is this system can't really accommodate an HDMI source if you wanted to hook it up to a TV or something. For that, you would need a DAC that had an HDMI input and good balanced outputs. I am not sure who makes something like that or how much it would cost.
Makes sense.. I had never considered powered speakers... The Moto M2 has me a bit perplexed still
 
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Streak01

Streak01

Junior Audioholic
The M2 is really an audio interface intended for prosumer work. However, it's very simple and reliable as well as being affordable, so that it's also a great choice as a regular DAC. Some other budget DACs have become quite popular on account of their technical excellence like the Topping ones, however, there have been a lot of reports of reliability issues. The Motu is as solid as a rock and would have none of that. What is your source, is it a PC of some kind?
@shadyJ .. Currently my source has been streaming from my iPhone X (using Spotify) I tried streaming through computer and sound was actually worse...how would I connect phone or computer into the Motu M2?
 
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Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
ShadyJ .. Currently my source has been streaming from my iPhone X (using Spotify) I tried streaming through computer and sound was actually worse...how would I connect phone or computer into the Motu M2?
I'll bet it's a lot simpler than you think. I wouldn't fret too much over it. Have you settled on a speaker yet? I think @shadyJ has reviewed all of the ones he rec'd. HD's suggestion for the JBL LSR308 is a really solid choice too. I have yet to see anyone who wasn't impressed with it.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
ShadyJ .. Currently my source has been streaming from my iPhone X (using Spotify) I tried streaming through computer and sound was actually worse...how would I connect phone or computer into the Motu M2?
Try "@" immediately before a member's name to notify them of your mention. Or quote the post....

You want to always hardwire your sources or would you like the option of streaming via wifi and/or bluetooth? Streaming differences could just be due the different device apps/setup to an extent (or just different audio service from Spotify ). I generally stream Spotify (premium) over wifi rather than bluetooth myself, I only use bluetooth in the car. Not all active speakers will have built in wifi/dac/BT capability like your current speakers, but there are some with such a feature set. I mentioned the Audio Chromecast before, it might be a consideration as you can wirelessly stream to it via wifi as well has an internal dac. Can't hardwire to it, tho.
 
Streak01

Streak01

Junior Audioholic
I'll bet it's a lot simpler than you think. I wouldn't fret too much over it. Have you settled on a speaker yet? I think @shadyJ has reviewed all of the ones he rec'd. HD's suggestion for the JBL LSR308 is a really solid choice too. I have yet to see anyone who wasn't impressed with it.
No.. I've been looking at the article that lovinthehd posted which was system at $1000 mark https://www.audioholics.com/recommended-systems/2014-1000-two-channel-stereo-recommended-system
 
Streak01

Streak01

Junior Audioholic
Try "@" immediately before a member's name to notify them of your mention. Or quote the post....

You want to always hardwire your sources or would you like the option of streaming via wifi and/or bluetooth? Streaming differences could just be due the different device apps/setup to an extent (or just different audio service from Spotify ). I generally stream Spotify (premium) over wifi rather than bluetooth myself, I only use bluetooth in the car. Not all active speakers will have built in wifi/dac/BT capability like your current speakers, but there are some with such a feature set. I mentioned the Audio Chromecast before, it might be a consideration as you can wirelessly stream to it via wifi as well has an internal dac. Can't hardwire to it, tho.
I tried the @ and failed.. must have spelled incorrectly.. Currently I use wifi to stream downstairs to the Bose SoundTouch.. the little AudioEngine B2 only has Bluetooth.. I am a fan of the Audio Chromecast after reading reviews and that was what I was goiing to purchase w/ that "all in one"..
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Some of shady's reviews of active/powered speakers if you hadn't already looked at them
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I tried the @ and failed.. must have spelled incorrectly.. Currently I use wifi to stream downstairs to the Bose SoundTouch.. the little AudioEngine B2 only has Bluetooth.. I am a fan of the Audio Chromecast after reading reviews and that was what I was goiing to purchase w/ that "all in one"..
Sometimes you have to wait for the program to identify the member (it'll turn bold in a little popup box and click on that)
 
Streak01

Streak01

Junior Audioholic
Some of shady's reviews of active/powered speakers if you hadn't already looked at them
Thank you!!! I had actually skimmed each of these after @shadyJ sent the recommendation.. (got the @ right this time!)
 
Streak01

Streak01

Junior Audioholic
Ah, okay. So you're keeping your options open with passive speakers too then. That is pretty nice 2 channel system that includes a sub, which is a huge plus. That's an older article tho. I don't think HSU sells that sub anymore.
Yes.. the allure of the passive is it's what I've owned.. I had an NAD receiver w/ Polk Audio passive speakers and a AR Turntable w/ Grado Signature cartridge out of college (think I also had a Nakamichi Tape Deck w/ that).. it lacked bass, but I enjoyed it.. My roomie at the time had a super McIntosh receiver w/ Bose 901 speakers.. Both systems sounded pretty good to me without intense tuning.. Since that time, it's been simple things like Bose Wave's, Audioengine B2, Harmon Kardin Soundstix.. but all lack the sound quality I'm striving for.

I found a like McIntosh receiver that he had... it's at $4,500 .. i just can't bring myself to that $ figure, and my ears are now over 35 years older than those days right out of college..

Trying to find articles on how to setup powered speakers as home audio is few and far between, and less w/ the Motu M2.. the videos talk about a myriad of settings that are way over my head... so I am intimidated.

Interestingly, I manage a team of folks that develop virtual networking solutions, so my job is high tech.. but this world of hifi still intimidates me... I feel like I need a hifi mentor :)
 
Streak01

Streak01

Junior Audioholic
Sometimes you have to wait for the program to identify the member (it'll turn bold in a little popup box and click on that)
Exactly.. when I tried the @ with lowercase, it wasn't recognizing.. @ w/ upper case did the trick!
 
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