You guys were correct as usual. I bought a Marantz SR-5014 and it sounds as good with LP's (actually better) than the Kenwood. With the SR-5014, I set my mains to large, with the Yam, they were set to small with the Forte II's and I suspect that may have been the reason that I didn't get much low end playing in pure 2 channel. Anyway, I am back to a nice clean single set up with Klipsch's across the front. Center speaker is very clear now. I am using hdmi arc, where before I used an optical cable. Also, I can hear my heights like NEVER before. So that is awesome. Beginning to learn to live with hdmi now. I don't appreciate how it takes over so much control of the AVR though, but whatever. I have the Yamaha AVR and the Kenwood up for sale. Some folks will get a good deal on good amps. They are fine units, not as good as the Marantz.