Denon 6700 & Atmos Setup!

[fast fred]

Hi guys- so this is what I have so far until SVS speakers come from back order:

Prime P Towers
Ultra Center
Ps12 Sub
Elevation x 2 as HEIGHTS 2

ON ORDER:
SVS Ultra Surrounds
Elevation x 2 HEIGHTS 1
PB4000 Subwoofer

Finished complete setup will be 7.1.4

So what amp setting exactly do I select and then run Audyssey at this point??

I tried multiple scenarios but each time Audyssey fails to recognize the HEIGHTS 2 ATOMS speakers!
They get picked up as SURROUNDS

What am I doing wrong?

Weird thing is the Heights and hooked up correctly on the back of the Denon but it still gets picked up as Surrounds?! (Dont understand that at all)

I understand that I would have to re calibrate Audyssey when the Surrounds and second pair of Height 1 Atmos get installed but was hoping to get the Two Atmos working now with the current setup

Do I have to want until ALL the complete speakers are in place to properly select the correct AMP assign and then run Audyssey?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Pogre]

You got the Ultra surrounds? Didn't we suggest against that? Or did you get books for surrounds? I would avoid those dipole/bipole type speakers.

Did you ever get your center situation dialed in? You know, raise it up, pull it forward and run room correction again? How did that work out?

 

[fast fred]

yes the Center is dialed in after I pull and raised it - thanks for that tip - was gonna post about that shortly

I was hoping to stick with he Ultra S's back order as they are a better speaker but dont know.

 

[fast fred]

You got the Ultra surrounds? Didn't we suggest against that? Or did you get books for surrounds? I would avoid those dipole/bipole type speakers.

Did you ever get your center situation dialed in? You know, raise it up, pull it forward and run room correction again? How did that work out?

So your a fan of the elevations for sides as opposed to the ULtras>?

See my Room please

 

[Pogre]

So your a fan of the elevations for sides as opposed to the ULtras>?

See my Room please

I'm a fan of any competently made surround speaker that isn't a dipole or bipole design. I've been reading here for years that those are more or less a failed design and monopole speakers are the recommended choice for surrounds in almost every situaton.

 

[fast fred]

I'm a fan of any competently made surround speaker that isn't a dipole or bipole design. I've been reading here for years that those are more or less a failed design and monopole speakers are the recommended choice for surrounds in almost every situaton.

So why do companies like SVS make them?

Is it not successful in pushing out both surround and rear surround sources??

What are the negative issues?

Are there even many sources that incorporate rear surround effects?? Examples etc. Netflix??

How does the driver in the ultra compare with the elevations??

If the components are better I think it’s worth the effort to try and incorporate both surround and rear surround channels no??

Thanks

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

I'm a fan of any competently made surround speaker that isn't a dipole or bipole design. I've been reading here for years that those are more or less a failed design and monopole speakers are the recommended choice for surrounds in almost every situaton.

I would just use prime BS speakers. Imo the ultras dual channel design is dubious at best.

 

[Pogre]

So why do companies like SVS make them?

Is it not successful in pushing out both surround and rear surround sources??

What are the negative issues?

Are there even many sources that incorporate rear surround effects?? Examples etc. Netflix??

How does the driver in the ultra compare with the elevations??

If the components are better I think it’s worth the effort to try and incorporate both surround and rear surround channels no??

Thanks

Okay, I've never owned them so I'm really just parroting what I've seen posted here over and over.

At one time I guess the design was somewhat beneficial back in the infancy of surround sound. Like pro logic and earlier before we had object based surround.

See below.

Smearing and spreading out the sound instead of being object based for effects.

Honestly I haven't paid a ton of attention because I'm only 5.1.

Ultra drivers are for sure superior, however we're talking about effect speakers. The front 3 matter most, imo.

If it's really that important then get Ultra books and call it a day. I really think you'll get the best performance using Ultra books for surrounds.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Okay, I've never owned them so I'm really just parroting what I've seen posted here over and over.

At one time I guess the design was somewhat beneficial back in the infancy of surround sound. Like pro logic and earlier before we had object based surround.

See below.

Smearing and spreading out the sound instead of being object based for effects.

Honestly I haven't paid a ton of attention because I'm only 5.1.

Ultra drivers are for sure superior, however we're talking about effect speakers. The front 3 matter most, imo.

If it's really that important then get Ultra books and call it a day. I really think you'll get the best performance using Ultra books for surrounds.

I agree that ultra books would be best for surrounds. But since he has primes for mains, prime books make more sense to me.

As far as the ultra surrounds, they’re kinda weird. I’m really actually disappointed that they sell them. In a BEST case scenario the rear channels that are wired to them would have to bounce off a back wall, and then to the LP. Dubious imo. Definitely not the same as bipoles.

 

[Pogre]

I agree that ultra books would be best for surrounds. But since he has primes for mains, prime books make more sense to me.

As far as the ultra surrounds, they’re kinda weird. I’m really actually disappointed that they sell them. In a BEST case scenario the rear channels that are wired to them would have to bounce off a back wall, and then to the LP. Dubious imo. Definitely not the same as bipoles.

He has the Pinnacles and Ultra center, with a PB16U on the way for this system. He also has a 2nd system with Prime books, another Ultra center and a SB16U, I believe for subwoofage. It gets a little confusing.

 

[fast fred]

Ha
Yes sorry I have two media rooms

The ultra books are way too bulky as that’s a side wall with hall entrance. It will look like the wall is pregnant

I prefer the more tapered look of the ultra surround

I might just give them a whirl since they are on order and then decide once I actually hook them up in bi mode. I might be pleasantly surprised with the outcome. Who knows



Thanks

 

[Pogre]

Ha
Yes sorry I have two media rooms

The ultra books are way too bulky as that’s a side wall with hall entrance. It will look like the wall is pregnant

I prefer the more tapered look of the ultra surround

I might just give them a whirl since they are on order and then decide once I actually hook them up in bi mode. I might be pleasantly surprised with the outcome. Who knows



Thanks

That is one of the nice thing about SVS. You do have plenty of time to take them for a spin and can trade in or up if something doesn't work out. If given the choice I would get Prime Elevation or Surrounds before a bipole. Like I said, they tend to smear the sound and make it more diffuse. Object based effects nowadays are specific to each speaker, wherever the sound is s'posed to be coming from. Play around with them and listen to stuff you know that has lots of surround effects. Rear speaker effects should sound like they're behind you.

 

[fast fred]

I will give it a whirl - worst case I return within 45 days

 

[fast fred]

Is it normal to raise the Denon volume to 40-50??
To get good sound?
Thanks

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Is it normal to raise the Denon volume to 40-50??
To get good sound?
Thanks

Depends. Imo that’s not a lot. Most of us use the relative scale. Can’t remember how far the range is. It’s like -80 to +12 or something like that. Try switching to that, and then see what your levels are like. Then we’ll all be on the same-ish page.

 

[lovinthehd]

I'd consider that on the low side using the absolute scale like you are assuming you've calibrated the system (with Audyssey or spl meter). 40-50 roughly equates to -42 to -32 dB on the relative scale (using 82 for reference level). I have my avr turn on at -40dB, and mostly watch movies and shows at -20. For music it varies as the volume scale is more about the THX movie standard.