No improvement after adding an Amp

[ryanosaur]

Hmm. Thank you for your Suggestion.

I agree with PENG: chasing SQ through electronics is a fools errand. Those network streamers are more about convenience than anything else. Otherwise, we’d all be saving up to blow our wads on Aurender gear.

Good source material and a good signal path delivering a clean signal to good speakers. If you take care of those variables, you are well on your way. (The other major variable in SQ is the speaker-room interaction.)

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

35Hz IS NOT midbass. Most speakers can't even do 35Hz well, in a real world situation. With good mid-bass, the bass line, kick drum and low notes from synths will still be apparent when using low notes if the mid-bass has been accentuated and the speakers can handle it (which most speakers can, some better than others). When music is mastered, they often use small monitors to make sure it sounds good if a car radio, boom box or other small system is used for playback- full bandwidth is for the big systems, but they use technology to give mid-bass more presence. Again, the E string on a bass guitar is tuned to 41.2 Hz and what we hear, unless the string is plucked or picked at the mid-point, is the first harmonic, at 82.4 Hz. That E note at the first harmonic sounds pretty low, too.

You're right- peoples' bodies don't resonate at the same frequencies but it's not as easy to make low notes 'hit' harder

That’s all pretty reasonable. And I agree that 35hz in and of itself my not be midbass. Especially considering how complex music is. Much more than some waves lol.
But the question as I remember it was about punch. My comment was to address a wider range of that including movies and music. Many times we talk about adding midbass to systems. For films, that balance point seems to be about 35hz. That’s where many sealed subs roll off, and are often most efficient, sometimes giving them an advantage over ported subs in what’s often referred to here(and elsewhere) as midbass slam/punch. Also. Many competition vehicles(and most car subs really) have subs tuned in the mid 30hz range. That’s the range you get hit with sitting in the car, not the 100hz floor pods, or door speakers. For stock vehicles I think 45hz is usually about the lower range, and in my own truck the 45-80hz range is very effective and pronounced. For music in general on a big system, like in a house, midbass imo is more like the 50-80hz range, and considering as you said, the upper harmonics associated as such. Also, there’s a lot of music in dropped tunings, and that use 5 string bass. They’re a lot of fun to play btw.
So to my original comment, again it was mostly in regards to punch, not necessarily just what we call midbass. And again, that’s very much a product of spl. No matter what the frequency is, if it’s not loud enough, it will never punch, shake, vibrate you enough to notice.

 

[PENG]

I agree with PENG: chasing SQ through electronics is a fools errand. Those network streamers are more about convenience than anything else. Otherwise, we’d all be saving up to blow our wads on Aurender gear.

Good source material and a good signal path delivering a clean signal to good speakers. If you take care of those variables, you are well on your way. (The other major variable in SQ is the speaker-room interaction.)

Yep, I just listened to some nicely recorded/mastered Christmas music at CD resolution for about half an hour. Through the BMRs it sounded so transparent that I could close my eyes and pretend I am hearing it live in a concert hall. I was using my separates, but I remember equally impressed when using an AVR-X3400H lol..

 

[highfigh]

That’s all pretty reasonable. And I agree that 35hz in and of itself my not be midbass. Especially considering how complex music is. Much more than some waves lol.
But the question as I remember it was about punch. My comment was to address a wider range of that including movies and music. Many times we talk about adding midbass to systems. For films, that balance point seems to be about 35hz. That’s where many sealed subs roll off, and are often most efficient, sometimes giving them an advantage over ported subs in what’s often referred to here(and elsewhere) as midbass slam/punch. Also. Many competition vehicles(and most car subs really) have subs tuned in the mid 30hz range. That’s the range you get hit with sitting in the car, not the 100hz floor pods, or door speakers. For stock vehicles I think 45hz is usually about the lower range, and in my own truck the 45-80hz range is very effective and pronounced. For music in general on a big system, like in a house, midbass imo is more like the 50-80hz range, and considering as you said, the upper harmonics associated as such. Also, there’s a lot of music in dropped tunings, and that use 5 string bass. They’re a lot of fun to play btw.
So to my original comment, again it was mostly in regards to punch, not necessarily just what we call midbass. And again, that’s very much a product of spl. No matter what the frequency is, if it’s not loud enough, it will never punch, shake, vibrate you enough to notice.

Impact sounds and punch are often used interchangeably but they're different.

Competition vehicle sound and home theater sound are two very different things- low frequencies determine the SPL, for competitions- I build systems and judged IASCA events and they didn't judge SPL based on wideband response, although there was a score for RTA using the Audio Control 3050A analyzer which I always thought should have had a higher resolution display and printout. Now that REW can be used, that's a reality.

I play 4 string- my bass rig isn't right for a 5 string but it's pretty good for 4 string, even though the speaker cabinets are small. Not playing out, so it really doesn't matter much but it's good for practicing.

People have been surprised when I tell them I don't use a subwoofer- I had great bass and it's doubtful that I'll have another pair of EV 30W woofers but if my next house can use them, I would definitely consider them. OTOH, good pro speakers are an excellent option in a larger space.