For the love of god or whoever … VOTE!

[lp85253]

Yes, but it's not as easy as yes or no for everyone since so many people have an opinion about it (and think their opinion is more important than the existing procedures).

Because some of the ballots haven't been counted and some state totals were within the % that require a recount, he's the 'presumed President-elect'. It's not likely that the results will change, though. Usually, if the results are within 1%, they recount and in this election, a lot of states were closer.

this...is accurate...

 

[highfigh]

Yeah, but this is so unprecedented in so many ways to have a wannabe authoritarian (attempting a coup d'etat) with a compliant G.O.P.

You need to realize that not all who are actual members of the GOP or those who don't necessarily vote Democrat are in favor of anything that prevents people voting- it only requires a majority. For that matter, a lot of people on both sides harass those who express their differences and don't allow others to have different opinions. All candidates represent something that others can't live with- I doubt it's possible to find someone whose ideas and plans would be seen as universally acceptable to all but to prevent someone else's free expression is just the wrong thing to attempt. The reasons this has happened over the last decades are many and IMO, closed-minded thinking is at the base of the problem. People used to debate these topics without resorting to insults, shouting and without uncontrollable anger.

 

[highfigh]

By now it really is quite simple to say yes or no, really it is!

If you had polled for fact vs opinion, the results would be very different. The facts negate opinions WRT whether he is or not, but until the count is done, it isn't fact.

 

[Trell]

You need to realize that not all who are actual members of the GOP or those who don't necessarily vote Democrat are in favor of anything that prevents people voting- it only requires a majority. For that matter, a lot of people on both sides harass those who express their differences and don't allow others to have different opinions. All candidates represent something that others can't live with- I doubt it's possible to find someone whose ideas and plans would be seen as universally acceptable to all but to prevent someone else's free expression is just the wrong thing to attempt. The reasons this has happened over the last decades are many and IMO, closed-minded thinking is at the base of the problem. People used to debate these topics without resorting to insults, shouting and without uncontrollable anger.

The real Republicans have been pushed out and replaced with kooks, and far, far worse. What's left is some remnants of the Tea Party in the Freedom caucus (aka the quisling caucus) that is now more or less the left side of G.O.P. QAnon is the new base with Trump giving his wholehearted support.

 

[Trell]

If you had polled for fact vs opinion, the results would be very different. The facts negate opinions WRT whether he is or not, but until the count is done, it isn't fact.

C'mon, do you believe that?

Edit: Sorry, too harsh a comment.

 

[lp85253]

C'mon, your not that dumb, are you, to believe what you just wrote?

he's got a point.. but as i think you know , there are an abundance of really dumb, misinformed people who are recently activated and empowered by our dear tyrant in chief...

 

[Trell]

he's got a point.. but as i think you know , there are an abundance of really dumb, misinformed people who are recently activated and empowered by our dear tyrant in chief...

No, he does not have a point as it is false!

 

[Trebdp83]

Not according to the math I’m looking at. You can buy a 3000 sqft home in Chandler for $600-800K. You can’t in San Diego, LA, OC, or the entire Bay Area.

Not to get too far off topic, I know, too late, but you'd be hard pressed to get a 1500sqft house for anything under $600,000 anywhere in California outside of the Central Valley. So, when folks can't afford to live in the OC anymore, they usually end up in Bakersfield or in a mobile home at Pismo Beach. As far as fact or opinion go. You can very well be next in line to ride the roller coaster. That may be a fact. But, if the f#%ker in the seat has the opinion that he deserves to stay and insists on another ride, they can't very well get you in that seat and start the f#&kin' ride again and nobody gets to have any fun. It's all become a very tiresome show and it's time to cancel it but the ratings are just too good. When the f#%kin' birds stop chirpin', I'll start worryin'.

 

[lp85253]

No, he does not have a point as it is false!

lighten up.. he stated an opinion.. opinion can be based on false premise .. it's yet to be determined as to how people outside of trump cultists will view this...i have my ideas , but the gop in general has sure pandered to the idea trump is "legit"... and even some are pandering to his insane voter fraud allegations..

 

[Trell]

lighten up.. he stated an opinion.. opinion can be based on false premise .. it's yet to be determined as to how people outside of trump cultists will view this...i have my ideas , but the gop in general has sure pandered to the idea trump is "legit"... and even some are pandering to his insane voter fraud allegations..

 

[lp85253]

Not according to the math I’m looking at. You can buy a 3000 sqft home in Chandler for $600-800K. You can’t in San Diego, LA, OC, or the entire Bay Area.

ok , point taken.. but chandler isn't exactly the high rent district.. and..prices are soaring.. we do have a shortage.. further , i;m talking about more simple math .. the math of basic survival.. you can't at this time rent an apartment in the metro area if you have limited income to the tune of average SS income(average rent for a basic 1 b/r apt is about $1000).. i'm living it .. a 6-800,000 house is fairy tale dust in my world...so.. it's not a matter of my ignorance.. it's not of any practical concern nor interest..

 

[lp85253]

what's your actual point?.. i'm just not following your train of thought..

 

[highfigh]

The real Republicans have been pushed out and replaced with kooks, and far, far worse. What's left is some remnants of the Tea Party in the Freedom caucus (aka the quisling caucus) that is now more or less the left side of G.O.P. QAnon is the new base with Trump giving his wholehearted support.

EXACTLY! Also, the Left has members who call themselves 'Progressive' and are far to the left of mainstream Democrats- Biden is more of a Centrist and even Pelosi is taking heat from the Progressives.

If you remember my "I think those at the extremes should go and pound sand so those in the middle can work out some deals", this is the reason for my thinking.

 

[highfigh]

C'mon, your not that dumb, are you, to believe what you just wrote?

You're saying opinions are more important than fact in that question? When it comes down to it, an opinion on this doesn't matter- he's not actually 'President-elect' until and unless the count has been finished. I'm not denying anything and if you read my reply, I answered with "Yes". People don't have to accept the results because their acceptance is immaterial once the facts have been presented. The Democrats spent four years not accepting the results of the 2016 election based on the Electoral College and as soon as Biden reached 270, they started telling the Republicans to just accept it. Let's see how much talk we hear of abolishing the Electoral College during this term. I have never heard so many people say "He's not MY President" in my life and no election has been popular with both sides. People said it when Obama won, too- doesn't change the fact that he WAS the President.

 

[highfigh]

No, he does not have a point as it is false!

That's your opinion and I stated mine- prove me wrong.

 

[highfigh]

ok , point taken.. but chandler isn't exactly the high rent district.. and..prices are soaring.. we do have a shortage.. further , i;m talking about more simple math .. the math of basic survival.. you can't at this time rent an apartment in the metro area if you have limited income to the tune of average SS income(average rent for a basic 1 b/r apt is about $1000).. i'm living it .. a 6-800,000 house is fairy tale dust in my world...so.. it's not a matter of my ignorance.. it's not of any practical concern nor interest..

Supply & demand drive prices, as in everything else. If people weren't moving into the area, the rent would be less- your choices are to leave the area completely, find something in a less desirable place (why would anyone intentionally do that unless it's about to turn around?) or find some way to pay it. Rent is about as high as ever but if you can do the work, buying a fixer-upper is a good way to get into a house for less and if you don't mind doing it, an occupied rental unit in a duplex pays for a good chunk of the mortgage.

 

[lp85253]

EXACTLY! Also, the Left has members who call themselves 'Progressive' and are far to the left of mainstream Democrats- Biden is more of a Centrist and even Pelosi is taking heat from the Progressives.

If you remember my "I think those at the extremes should go and pound sand so those in the middle can work out some deals", this is the reason for my thinking.

as a Biden type "centrist" i agree .. many think i'm a socialist though , because i agree with Sanders on healthcare(i support choice , like England has) and congressional corruption...however i do assume that the far left will have much of their agenda addressed to some degree in the next 2 decades

 

[GO-NAD!]

Priceless...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1327284770984914945

 

[highfigh]

as a Biden type "centrist" i agree .. many think i'm a socialist though , because i agree with Sanders on healthcare(i support choice , like England has) and congressional corruption...however i do assume that the far left will have much of their agenda addressed to some degree in the next 2 decades

Agreeing with the idea is fine, but the problem is in how it would be implemented. Penalizing people in the way the ACA did at first is a bad way to get people to want to do something. First, it makes them want something else and second, the thinking behind who would pay for the bulk of the cost was wrong.

 

[lp85253]

Supply & demand drive prices, as in everything else. If people weren't moving into the area, the rent would be less- your choices are to leave the area completely, find something in a less desirable place (why would anyone intentionally do that unless it's about to turn around?) or find some way to pay it. Rent is about as high as ever but if you can do the work, buying a fixer-upper is a good way to get into a house for less and if you don't mind doing it, an occupied rental unit in a duplex pays for a good chunk of the mortgage.

i'm 58 with cerebral palsy .. a moderate case .. so my choices are rather limited as you may agree with..i get every bit of your assessment.. but for some it's fantasy land..i'm not going to repeat myself in future posts..my choices are.. govt subsidized "low income" housing(with *long*waiting lists)... or be homeless ..i'm afraid to explain it to you in full detail would be offensive to you.. it's obviously not an interest of yours...