Unraveling of America? Is the decline of our "empire" a given at this point?

[panteragstk]

I just can't agree, Jeff. The President's job is to do what's necessary, whatever is necessary, within the lawful powers granted to the office. This pandemic is a worldwide emergency, and certainly a national emergency. This is why the office of the President is given such broad powers by the Constitution and various acts of Congress. I can see where it isn't Trump's job to see that the Pentagon has enough pencils, but a lot of lives depended on PPE early on, and Trump declined to act or to have his administration act. Frankly, I was ashamed of him. He touts his authoritative style and can-do attitude, but he did nothing. It's also time for Congress to STFU and formulate some legislation to fund and require the production of critical products in the US, including the supply chain. Even Trump would have no choice but to sign.

I've seen this from many sources and haven't heard of this one before, but it's worse than "Trump declined to act." He did act, and it wasn't to help us.

https://www.thecut.com/2020/09/the-white-house-stopped-the-usps-from-sending-out-free-masks.html

 

[Gmoney]

You are lucky he didn't have the guts to swing at you. He might have done some damage.

Sure Irv, no ones Bullet proof, #1. thing is I can take a punch believe, many have tried, After 5 minutes if he hasn't done his best, He would've known what pain is. #2. I would've let him take his best shot, Cameras all over the place he would've been changed with Assault. But yeah, Trying to piss in someone's sandbox wasn't in his best Interest.

 

[panteragstk]

You are lucky he didn't have the guts to swing at you. He might have done some damage.

I won't get into fights with anyone for the main reason that "you never know who you're messing with". Dude could have been an armature MMA fighter. Not going to risk it.

 

[Gmoney]

On the topic of child/sex trafficking, there are lots of people who claim to be trying to eliminate it; however, I don't understand why no one seems to be targeting the market!
Whenever they do a bust, it is always the traffickers that are being arrested. As long as there are people willing to pay serious money for this service, there will be ambitious people (without low/no moral compass) will to gamble on cashing in on a big payday. From the buyer's standpoint, I suspect if there is a major bust, for the buyers, it equates to a simple "scheduling delay"!
If, instead of busting the traffickers immediately, the authorities followed through the closing of the deals and then bust and publicly expose the buyers, so the buyers are at risk, I think it would change the market. Right now, the buyers are free and clear (AFAIK)! Of course, you would still bust teh traffickers, but the idea that busting traffickers is fixing the issue is not realistic (unless they can bust 100%).
Of course it is not so easy as it sounds. There are real hard questions about knowingly allowing the trafficking to continue as opposed to immediately freeing the children, but you would think that the traffickers would have some type of records of where they are planning to deliver the kids.
I realize that this is a very complex situation as far as not allowing a false list to destroy innocent people, but I would like to know that there are people who are sitting down with others that have a solid understanding of the legal and moral issues to better pressure the buyers/market so it is reduced if not eliminated.

@KEW, I delete a few post on this subject, well cause I put out a little to much info. but with that said on Sex Trafficking that show on Netflix "Cuties" and one AH member mentioned that lil child that was murdered cause her Parents had signed her up for Dance studios and beauty pageants. Here is a great Example of sh$t for parents that photo posted, was just on the Local news today. A 2 year old was found in a car Dead! in that Red car you see, been there no less than umm 3 days. Car was left in a Trailer park. The sorry Piece of sh$t mother was Arrested for aggravated homicide. "Natalie Broussard", low life of a human.

 

[KEW]

So I will clarify some. He is still accountable for a failure under his watch. I think RACI diagrams in business.

My main goal in this data was to clarify the fact the this department had the resources necessary to manage this for the past 10 years. 3 under Trump and 7 under Obama.

Pretty ridiculous....and yet it happened to Trump. Obama looked the other way for 7 years and got lucky....so now Trump is crap an Obama is great. Both were in charge of an organization that was rolling the dice with potential risk to lives.

In my earlier post I said:

Trump did have 3 years to restock those supplies, but didn't. That was obviously a mistake, but what really upsets me is that when Trump (partially) blocked travel from China, he probably bought us 4-6 weeks. He now knows there is a pandemic afoot and does nothing to replenish the stockpile of PPE (or much of anything else to prepare) with the time he bought!

Obama set up a response team in 2016 as a response to concerns about Ebola!

So, unlike Obama's 7 and Trump's first 3 years, Trump knows a pandemic virus is upon us and he completely ignored it for month of February!

Not only that, but quoting the Politifact reference you cited:

The fiscal 2021 budget proposal did call for a $693.3 million reduction to the CDC’s funding compared with what was enacted for fiscal 2020, according to this CDC budget document. That would be a 9% reduction in the CDC’s budget. The president’s budget proposal was released on Feb. 10, after the COVID-19 outbreak began and the first U.S. case was confirmed on Jan. 20.

So Trump, with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, was still avoiding taking action against the virus!
Furthermore, he was trying to cut CDC funding by $693 million!
WTF! How do you square that?

My main goal in this data was to clarify the fact the this department had the resources necessary to manage this for the past 10 years.

You are entitled to your opinion on that, but without any facts to back it up, I am not willing to agree that the reduced funds were misappropriated until I knew where the money went and hear from someone responsible for making those decisions.
But this will obviously turn into a "he said vs he said" debate (unless you can find more details - I did not see mention of spending the money on vaccines as you mentioned), so will drop it and stick with the above points!

 

[shadyJ]

So, this is a secret lie? Is this possibly the virus-related lie, that all of the restrictions are in place only so the Democrats, now infiltrated with the woke progressives, can exert control over our lives and behaviors? That as soon as Trump is out of office the virus will miraculously cease to be a factor, businesses will re-open, but not churches? Biden will resign from his new office, Harris will become president, and the Bernie-Squad communist-socialist (or whatever) progressives will take over, eliminate private property, and redistribute wealth to the noble poor people who deserve it more than the people who created it? Got it.

 

[Gmoney]

Presidential debate going on right now live! This sh$t is off the Chain! Joe Biden versus Donald Trump! I gotta give Props to Joe Biden, so far, Trump as usual just can help himself, with his Mouth. It isn't that Trump can't, cause he knows. But Joe is throwing punches out like a Veteran in a box ring. Joe is wrong about OBahma care, Ole Joe while Trump cuts him off for like the 20th time Ole Joe goes, And I quote: "Keep Yapping Man" High Five Joe! I been waiting almost 4 years! for someone anyone to stand up in his face to say anything, Trump Shut the f..k up and listen. Old school, smooth I can dig it. Trump, if he doesn't stop running his mouth and cutting Joe off, maybe. looks like a very very long night with this Presidential debate. It has slowed Trump down some, Joe 7 Trump 3 end of 1sr Quarter. 2nd Q Joe! "It's hard to get anything in with this Clown" Niiice! Joe 14 Trump 10. Trump is a Master manipulator! He knows! but he takes and Twist which is a very good sign of a well, Manipulates the truth. Poor Joe if he where just umm 5 years younger cause he does have to stop and Collect his thoughts. But with like, a Bulldog on a chain Yapping at. Bring up Joes Son cheap shot Trump low bro. Review of last TD over turned! Joe 14 Trump 3. Joe!! " He wouldn't know a Suburb unless he took a wrong turn" Joe 17 Trump 10.Trump is spot on about Crime in this Country. I've heard Enough. Joe and the Moderator just put Trump on the spot! on "White Supremists" it took the Moderator and Joe to get Trump to stop running his mouth and Trump had to Collect his thoughts, You could've heard a pin drop. Trump was not waiting for that one, I don't and I never take sides on A debate, but when Trump mentioned Joe's son Dam Trump! Trump will not Condemn "White Supremacies" groups. That was Trump chance to. As a White Caucasian man, I can not With a clear conscience vote for Trump I'm sorry I just can't do it. Both Moderator and Joe Biden: said it, say it condemn White supremacists this is your chance. Trump goes what name do you want me to call them? Yeah something a Mafia "Don" would say! Dude had to stop and think and I could read his Mind, I don't want to say, yeah "I Condemn White supremacists or even a, tone downed I Condemn all hate groups. Trump didn't want to Incriminate himself on live TV. Past the buck to what ever he thought Joe was pushing some "Women"? who started something about Racism and white supremacy? I missed it cause his face turned as red as I have never seen! Done out hope Trump loses. Joe is a Seasoned politician 47 years, He'll just Hopalong like he's been doing the last 47 years. I had to come postup one more for a , new name for sleepy Joe! That one is gone done with! wait for it... Smokin Joe!! dude had sooo many great one liners! Best one of the night "Joe to Trump, "Shut up man" drops the Mic! Winner Joe 28 Trump 17.

 

[panteragstk]

Presidential debate going on right now live! This sh$t is off the Chain! Joe Biden versus Donald Trump! I gotta give Props to Joe Biden, so far, Trump as usual just can help himself, with his Mouth. It isn't that Trump can't, cause he knows. But Joe is throwing punches out like a Veteran in a box ring. Joe is wrong about OBahma care, Ole Joe while Trump cuts him off for like the 20th time Ole Joe goes, And I quote: "Keep Yapping Man" High Five Joe! I been wait almost 4 years! for someone anyone to stand up in his face to say anything, Trump Shut the f..k up and listen. Old school, smooth I can dig it. Trump, if he doesn't stop running his mouth and cutting Joe off, maybe. looks like a very very long night with this Presidential debate. It has slowed Trump down some, Joe 7 Trump 3 end of 1sr Quarter. 2nd Q Joe! "It's hard to get anything in with this Clown" Niiice! Joe 14 Trump 10. Trump is a Master manipulator! He knows! but he takes and Twist which is a very good sign of a well, Manipulates the truth. Poor Joe if he where just umm 5 years younger cause he does have to stop and Collect his thoughts. But with like, a Bulldog on a chain Yapping at. Bring up Joes Son cheap shot Trump low bro. Review of last TD over turned! Joe 14 Trump 3. Joe!! " He wouldn't know a Suburb unless he took a wrong turn" Joe 17 Trump 10.Trump is stop on about Crime in this Country.

Yup. This is crazy.

The moderator has to be going nuts inside.

 

[VMPS-TIII]

Yup. This is crazy.

The moderator has to be going nuts inside.

Did you notice Trump said he would not support a peaceful transition during the debate? If he loses they may have to carry him out the back door?

You can't make this stuff up.

 

[Gmoney]

Did you notice Trump said he would not support a peaceful transition during the debate? If he loses they may have to carry him out the back door?

You can't make this stuff up.

Did he Loud month Trump Actually say he would not support it, peaceful transition?

 

[TankTop5]

Yup. This is crazy.

The moderator has to be going nuts inside.

 

[pcosmic]

I wish Biden had slapped the lardass orange belligerent pig everytime it interrupted him during the debate (send it running back to its bunker) this evening. This was singlehandedly the most disgusting presidential debate i've ever seen.

 

[Old Onkyo]

Did he Loud month Trump Actually say he would not support it, peaceful transition?

It’s not the first time he said it. Somehow that doesn’t trouble his supporters. If he wins the election, he is the greatest ever. If he loses the election it will be the result of fraud.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Did you notice Trump said he would not support a peaceful transition during the debate? If he loses they may have to carry him out the back door?

You can't make this stuff up.

I love to see that episode
Hopefully in handcuffs.

 

[mtrycrafts]

View attachment 40338

His eyes are closed. He fell asleep.

 

[mtrycrafts]

In my earlier post I said:

KEW said:
Trump did have 3 years to restock those supplies, but didn't. That was obviously a mistake, but what really upsets me is that when Trump (partially) blocked travel from China, he probably bought us 4-6 weeks. He now knows there is a pandemic afoot and does nothing to replenish the stockpile of PPE (or much of anything else to prepare) with the time he bought!

I would think that partial lockdown allowed a bunch, a whole bunch of folks to return and not sure if they were all placed in quarantine or not.
Then came the east coast incursion from Europe, not sure how soon.

 

[Gmoney]

I wish Biden had slapped the lardass orange belligerent pig everytime it interrupted him during the debate (send it running back to its bunker) this evening. This was singlehandedly the most disgusting presidential debate i've ever seen.

Joe did slap Trump, "Shut up man" "Clown" "Keep Yapping man" there 3 times smack upside Trumps head. But here's the Mic drop Trump wouldn't Condemn white supremacists on national television with the whole world watching, he had the chance: Joe knew he had Trump by the balls so to speak: Joe, was Throwing left jabs like a Season politician, say it say you condemn white supremacists say it, than hooks Trump with Proud Boys" Several times saying proud boys, proud boys, with a big smile on his face. While the Mediator was throwing Uppercuts at Trump with: Condemn white supremacists, say it here's your change. couldn't believe what I heard next, "what name do you want me to call them" than this "Antifa" "Stand Back and Stand by" Gotta say Trump can handle more than one coming at him. He is a Businessman use to getting his way with bullying tactics and twist with lies.
I have personally Dealt with people of that character, they are smooth talking as long as it's going their way, but Watch out! when they don't get what they want They use lies manipulation and turn vicious and vindictive, and if that doesn't work watch your 6, for setups and a fall.

 

[panteragstk]

Did he Loud month Trump Actually say he would not support it, peaceful transition?

He didn't give an answer one way or the other. Just started ranting.

 

[KEW]

Presidential debate going on right now live! This sh$t is off the Chain! Joe Biden versus Donald Trump! I gotta give Props to Joe Biden, so far, Trump as usual just can help himself, with his Mouth. It isn't that Trump can't, cause he knows. But Joe is throwing punches out like a Veteran in a box ring. Joe is wrong about OBahma care, Ole Joe while Trump cuts him off for like the 20th time Ole Joe goes, And I quote: "Keep Yapping Man" High Five Joe! I been waiting almost 4 years! for someone anyone to stand up in his face to say anything, Trump Shut the f..k up and listen. Old school, smooth I can dig it. Trump, if he doesn't stop running his mouth and cutting Joe off, maybe. looks like a very very long night with this Presidential debate. It has slowed Trump down some, Joe 7 Trump 3 end of 1sr Quarter. 2nd Q Joe! "It's hard to get anything in with this Clown" Niiice! Joe 14 Trump 10. Trump is a Master manipulator! He knows! but he takes and Twist which is a very good sign of a well, Manipulates the truth. Poor Joe if he where just umm 5 years younger cause he does have to stop and Collect his thoughts. But with like, a Bulldog on a chain Yapping at. Bring up Joes Son cheap shot Trump low bro. Review of last TD over turned! Joe 14 Trump 3. Joe!! " He wouldn't know a Suburb unless he took a wrong turn" Joe 17 Trump 10.Trump is spot on about Crime in this Country. I've heard Enough. Joe and the Moderator just put Trump on the spot! on "White Supremists" it took the Moderator and Joe to get Trump to stop running his mouth and Trump had to Collect his thoughts, You could've heard a pin drop. Trump was not waiting for that one, I don't and I never take sides on A debate, but when Trump mentioned Joe's son Dam Trump! Trump will not Condemn "White Supremacies" groups. That was Trump chance to. As a White Caucasian man, I can not With a clear conscience vote for Trump I'm sorry I just can't do it. Both Moderator and Joe Biden: said it, say it condemn White supremacists this is your chance. Trump goes what name do you want me to call them? Yeah something a Mafia "Don" would say! Dude had to stop and think and I could read his Mind, I don't want to say, yeah "I Condemn White supremacists or even a, tone downed I Condemn all hate groups. Trump didn't want to Incriminate himself on live TV. Past the buck to what ever he thought Joe was pushing some "Women"? who started something about Racism and white supremacy? I missed it cause his face turned as red as I have never seen! Done out hope Trump loses. Joe is a Seasoned politician 47 years, He'll just Hopalong like he's been doing the last 47 years. I had to come postup one more for a , new name for sleepy Joe! That one is gone done with! wait for it... Smokin Joe!! dude had sooo many great one liners! Best one of the night "Joe to Trump, "Shut up man" drops the Mic! Winner Joe 28 Trump 17.

I had to give this post a "winner" feedback because you have somehow, in one run-on paragraph, captured the chaotic ambiance of that ShitShow!

 

[panteragstk]

I had to give this post a "winner" feedback because you have somehow, in one run-on paragraph, captured the chaotic ambiance of that ShitShow!

Just think. After @Gmoney posted that, there was still an HOUR left in the debate.