I bought my 4500 from listenup, I believe they’re based in Colorado. I paid 1050 brand new, well at least that’s what the guy was telling me when I talked to him. I asked him several times if that was brand new or if it was refurbished. It definitely looked brand new when I got it but maybe he lied to me idk. Just thought it was odd because that was the cheapest I found it for, it was only that price for a few days on their site.