as if COVID wasn't bad enough ............

[Danzilla31]

Thats

Keep in mind, in addition to things being hot right now, that protesters aren't an organized monolithic bloc.

With respect to defunding / abolishing the police, explanations seem to vary, which isn't surprising given the above. For my part I get that a large swath of people feel the current system of justice isn't actually just at all, and that things are so broken that incremental changes like banning choke holds aren't even close to enough. I can also understand anger that some police departments can afford surplus military gear / vehicles, but we can't afford to deal with mental health episodes (as an example) in any way beyond sending an armed police response. As I see it, there aren't going to be any easy answers / fixes, whether it's banning choke holds or abolishing the police.

That's a great point you make there you know working in acute psychiatric care we are the place the police brings them when they are out of control.

Sometimes I know that one situation in the news was uncalled for I do have empathy for the police tho. They can be an absolute handful when they are off there meds or worse on drugs or alcohol which don't mix well with mental illness.

We had a fella get admitted 3 months ago for chasing his neighbors around with a machette.

I gotta hand it to our officers here in San Antonio I'm sure they are not perfect but they really do try. That dude was handed over to us without a scratch on him

Then he broke the door down in admissions and made a shiv out of the metal frame and tried to stab us with it.

We were able to get him in the correct hold with out any injury to him or others but I tell you what it was not easy.

Those situations can be tough you got to make some tough calls and I feel for officers in those spots because it's outside there normal comfort zone of what they usually deal with

It's not easy for us and were trained for that it's gotta be tough sometimes on them as well

 

[shadyJ]

An insightful and sobering read about police misconduct from a former cop. I thought this was worth reading.

 

[Danzilla31]

Minneapolis City Council members look to disband the police department as schools and other city agencies cut ties with police

This should be interesting

 

[Danzilla31]

Minneapolis City Council members look to disband the police department as schools and other city agencies cut ties with police

This should be interesting

If it plays out it will be interesting to see how it works or what works or what doesn't

 

[Danzilla31]

An insightful and sobering read about police misconduct from a former cop. I thought this was worth reading.

That was a pretty good read Shady good stuff

 

[Danzilla31]

That was a pretty good read Shady good stuff

I really thought he had some good ideas on if we keep police around how to go about reforming them

I thought all of his ideas were pretty spot on
Carrying liability insurance
Taking away immunity
Going after the police unions
There were some other good ones too
I thought they were all spot on

 

[Danzilla31]

An insightful and sobering read about police misconduct from a former cop. I thought this was worth reading.

One thing though even if he is right about abolishing police which I'm still not convinced he's right

Hmmmm still wondering if this is a good time to start it right now with the economy in the state it's in unemployment so high a polarizing election coming up racial tensions elevated and not to mention what could happen if we get another resurgence of COVID. Maaayybbeee hold off on that one for a wee bit till some stuff calms down yah? Lol

 

[shadyJ]

One thing though even if he is right about abolishing police which I'm still not convinced he's right

Hmmmm still wondering if this is a good time to start it right now with the economy in the state it's in unemployment so high a polarizing election coming up racial tensions elevated and not to mention what could happen if we get another resurgence of COVID. Maaayybbeee hold off on that one for a wee bit till some stuff calms down yah? Lol

I don't know about abolishing police, but I think at the very least policing in the USA needs some major reforms, and some of the ideas outlined in that guy's article sound like reasonable starting points.

I get what you are saying that it is an impractical time to make major changes to policing, but, on the other hand, it may actually be the best time. There isn't enough will power to change the status quo when times are good. While society could better cope with changes in calmer times, there would also be more resistance to rocking the boat, especially from the powers that be. Problems are easier to ignore when the money is rolling in and there is stability.

 

[Dan]

Excellent article. Thanks Shady. Medicine needs shaking up too and I'm on the inside of that.

 

[Danzilla31]

Excellent article. Thanks Shady. Medicine needs shaking up too and I'm on the inside of that.

Do you mind me asking where medicine could use changes? I'd just like to learn from what your seeing

 

[Gmoney]

An insightful and sobering read about police misconduct from a former cop. I thought this was worth reading.

Shady J, good read man! What that EX Cop postup is 100% true. Never Ever Talk to Cops! . They lie, They will Never ever tell you the Truth about the law.
They are Not your friend. I Learned that years ago. They won't go Easy on you if you cooperate. Say Nothing to one when pulled over just Comply only! You get Arrested say nothing And lawyer up.

 

[ski2xblack]

An insightful and sobering read about police misconduct from a former cop. I thought this was worth reading.

A disturbing reminder of of the depth of the problem.

But the author has included some rather conspicuous intersectional identity politics garbage, specifically the mischaracterization of capitalism.

FYI, the ascendant intersectional identitarians not only view capitalism as an oppressive colonialist structure of racial control, they also see biological sciences and STEM as oppressive racist power structures. Pure crazy. They don't even believe in common sense rules of evidence, rationality, or objective reality. They are diametrically opposed to the very enlightenment ideals that spawned the American experiment in the first place. They want to burn it to the ground. They are as dangerous as the proto facist in the oval office, and more insidious. They are shaming public figures into acquiesce (compare Minneapolis city council bowing to the mob's demands to the mayor telling them 'no' and subsequently being labeled a racist for doing so).

Ironically, capitalism is the very thing that can liberate the underclass from the chains of poverty, and STEM and biological science education provides highly marketable skills to get it done.

/rant

 

[snakeeyes]

We need police but reform or rebuild sounds like a smart idea. Too many lawsuits will be coming for sure now.

 

[shadyJ]

A disturbing reminder of of the depth of the problem.

But the author has included some rather conspicuous intersectional identity politics garbage, specifically the mischaracterization of capitalism.

FYI, the ascendant intersectional identitarians not only view capitalism as an oppressive colonialist structure of racial control, they also see biological sciences and STEM as oppressive racist power structures. Pure crazy. They don't even believe in common sense rules of evidence, rationality, or objective reality. They are diametrically opposed to the very enlightenment ideals that spawned the American experiment in the first place. They want to burn it to the ground. They are as dangerous as the proto facist in the oval office, and more insidious. They are shaming public figures into acquiesce (compare Minneapolis city council bowing to the mob's demands to the mayor telling them 'no' and subsequently being labeled a racist for doing so).

Ironically, capitalism is the very thing that can liberate the underclass from the chains of poverty, and STEM and biological science education provides highly marketable skills to get it done.

/rant

The only people who oppose objective sciences who end up in positions of power are republicans. The spaced out liberals who would oppose science are a far-left fringe group who will never weld any serious power, but the conservative loonies who oppose sciences constitute a large chunk of Republican base.

 

[ski2xblack]

The spaced out liberals who would oppose science are a far-left fringe group who will never weld any serious power...

It's been stewing in academia for a couple decades, and has now metastasized to business as well as the public sphere, and whether you care to admit it or not, it's starting to weild real power. A lot of people with good intentions are going along for the ride, but they're naive to the threat that the identitarian left represents. Get ready for mobs with bats hunting down those who the mob has labeled as the enemy, and keep your fingers crossed that they don't mistakenly label you, based not on your actions but by your race, where you live, or who you've associated with. It ain't rule of law by a wide stretch.

Lookup the events that transpired at Evergreen State College if you think I'm being hyperbolic. Minneapolis is at about the infamous 'canoe' meeting phase now, with the outcome still tbd.

Anywho, I hope it all works out.

 

[ski2xblack]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1270570826585300994

Hilarious response in the twitter thread:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1270590806064168960

 

[Dan]

Do you mind me asking where medicine could use changes? I'd just like to learn from what your seeing

The fee for service system only encourages excess and high reimbursement services. Cheaper preventative measure tend to be ignored because they are not profitable or at least as profitable. Having health insurance tied to employment creates an inherently unequal system. This is only becoming worse as more and more jobs lack benefits or become part of the gig economy. As far as liability lawsuits go, I'd like to see police responsible. However in the medical field it is the opposite, out of hand because there are deep pockets involved. Malpractice lawyers are free to troll for cases. But medicine has done a poor job of weeding out the incompetents just as the police do not weed out the ones on authority trips.

Of course nothing is done to police lawyers, who are in vast excess and many are terrible.

 

[Danzilla31]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1270570826585300994

Hilarious response in the twitter thread:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1270590806064168960

I'm going to give you a huge shout out on this info that's crazy and scary with no police whose going to stop people from going after you if you don't meet there agenda? The public policing themselves could be a scary thing. I want to believe people are good but I do not believe they are good as a crowd and when there emotional.

Thank you for the information I do think change is necessary I'm just worried about knee jerk reactions type of change. Let's just topple the whole thing down without thinking about what the consequences are and what needs to be put in its place that's what scares me

 

[Danzilla31]

It's been stewing in academia for a couple decades, and has now metastasized to business as well as the public sphere, and whether you care to admit it or not, it's starting to weild real power. A lot of people with good intentions are going along for the ride, but they're naive to the threat that the identitarian left represents. Get ready for mobs with bats hunting down those who the mob has labeled as the enemy, and keep your fingers crossed that they don't mistakenly label you, based not on your actions but by your race, where you live, or who you've associated with. It ain't rule of law by a wide stretch.

Lookup the events that transpired at Evergreen State College if you think I'm being hyperbolic. Minneapolis is at about the infamous 'canoe' meeting phase now, with the outcome still tbd.

Anywho, I hope it all works out.

One thing I'm wondering is not everybody is going to go for this in every state I'd imagine right?

I'm wondering if some will just sit back and see how this plays out I can't imagine Texas ever going for this but I could be wrong what do you think?

 

[ski2xblack]

To be fair, those Seattle town hall protesters were admitted to city hall by a council member, the cops were aware and didn't deem it necessary to show up. They left peacefully, no damage.

The real dipshits have sequestered off a section of the city and declared it an autonomous zone, complete with signs at their barricades that you're leaving the US upon entry.

Just harmless kids LARPing revolutionary?

It's easier to summon the mob than control it.