Both YPAO and MCACC are ruining my mids.

[PENG]

4 dB bump, as tight a Q as I could manage. I didn't save any of the sweeps tho.

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The predicted bump in "after" is not there. It's within +/- 3 dB from 110 to 16 hz. +/- 2 dB from 100 and down.

Impressive that you have tweak the fronts. I have only tweaked the L+R+Subs so far as I believe it is more important to optimize the integrated effects of fronts+sub. I meant to see your REW graphs so we can see the actual results, may be that belong to the Audyssey Editor App thread though.

 

[Pogre]

Impressive that you have tweak the fronts. I have only tweaked the L+R+Subs so far as I believe it is more important to optimize the integrated effects of fronts+sub. I meant to see your REW graphs so we can see the actual results, may be that belong to the Audyssey Editor App thread though.

As you know, I've only been doing this for maybe two years? I'm still learning and consider myself not much more than a beginner still. Especially with the Audyssey app editor.

When I play around and calibrate things that usually make a day of it, at least the morning, and that's when I get my experimentation in and learn more. I have no idea what bumping the mains at 110 Hertz was going to do, but it did flatten out my frequency response a little bit. If you ever see me screw something up or you know something I don't, don't hesitate to quote me and correct me.

 

[Kingnoob]

He wants the Chocolately midrange..

What speakers is op using ? Cannot he just boost it in the Avr equalizer?
Ypao isn’t very good , as far as I’ve used it .


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[Kingnoob]

If the issue is from 200Hz-10kHz, then I would use Through Mode on your awesome Yamaha RX-A3080.

BTW, I just sold my $5,500 Denon AVR-5308 and replaced it with the Yamaha RX-A3080 in my living room. The sound quality is as awesome as anything I’ve heard.

If your room acoustics is bad, no room EQ will fix it.

I have heard Audyssey XT32 (Denon Rep demo), Anthem ARC and Dirac (friends), and Lyngdorf (McIntosh dealer). And none of them sounded any better to my ears than Direct Mode or plain Stereo Mode.

However, there is no harm trying out other software like Audyssey or Anthem ARC or Dirac for yourself if you can find a way to borrow it.

There is no way I would waste money and go from an awesome Yamaha RX-A3080 to anything else unless I know for sure that the replacement has exactly the sound I want.

Wow nice your old avr cost more then my whole bedroom system includes the tv ...

My bedroom has terrible room acoustics even if I found a job it’s not worth fixing .
Just keep bass down
My parents hate electronics tossed a tube tv on curb if mine every Tuesday for last month .
I guess the broken one was too heavy ? They threw away all my mint ones haha dead technology can be good or bad

Sadly all I have are 2 way speakers , well except pioneer Andrew Jones towers .
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[Pogre]

Wow nice your old avr cost more then my whole bedroom system includes the tv ...

My bedroom has terrible room acoustics even if I found a job it’s not worth fixing .
Just keep bass down
My parents hate electronics tossed a tube tv on curb if mine every Tuesday for last month .
I guess the broken one was too heavy ? They threw away all my mint ones haha dead technology can be good or bad

Sadly all I have are 2 way speakers , well except pioneer Andrew Jones towers .
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So many questions, so little patience for hearing the answers...

Your parents are hauling junk to the curb every month, huh? I just can't imagine why they'd do something like that...

At least now we know why you're constantly looking for more. Every time you get the house filled with trash your parents haul it all out of there and you have to start all over again. Parents just don't understand, man.

So how's the death ray coming along? Or did they toss your dlp screen too..?

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

So many questions, so little patience for hearing the answers...

Your parents are hauling junk to the curb every month, huh? I just can't imagine why they'd do something like that...

At least now we know why you're constantly looking for more. Every time you get the house filled with trash your parents haul it all out of there and you have to start all over again. Parents just don't understand, man.

So how's the death ray coming along? Or did they toss your dlp screen too..?

What’s he gonna do when they haul HIM out to the curb? Lmao...

 

[Kingnoob]

So many questions, so little patience for hearing the answers...

Your parents are hauling junk to the curb every month, huh? I just can't imagine why they'd do something like that...

At least now we know why you're constantly looking for more. Every time you get the house filled with trash your parents haul it all out of there and you have to start all over again. Parents just don't understand, man.

So how's the death ray coming along? Or did they toss your dlp screen too..?

I never got that dlp it was sold too fast fornfree ,
The tube tv were for stuff that looks horrible on my trash 4k non hdr Sony tv.
Probably won’t buy another Sony after being sold a trash model in 2015

Dvds look so horrific I tried a ps2 once also and a ps1 all looked bad .
Some 4k Blu-ray’s look worse then normal Blu-ray on this model of tv
Sad Thing is it was a Xbr model don’t expect a 4k tv that’s so poor ..

This bloated tv ....

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[DJ7675]

I have heard Audyssey XT32 (Denon Rep demo), Anthem ARC and Dirac (friends), and Lyngdorf (McIntosh dealer). And none of them sounded any better to my ears than Direct Mode or plain Stereo Mode.

I see you mention this quite often. Is this a subjective opinion, or have you seen bench testing showing this to be the case on some receivers? On all of the bench tests Amir has done, Direct/Pure Direct has made no difference.
Edit: I am mistaken in that Amir did find a difference in one of the receivers. The Yamaha there was a slight improvement in the CD Direct Mode. LINK
He found no difference when testing the Denon models such as the x3600.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I see you mention this quite often. Is this a subjective opinion, or have you seen bench testing showing this to be the case on some receivers? On all of the bench tests Amir has done, Direct/Pure Direct has made no difference.
Edit: I am mistaken in that Amir did find a difference in one of the receivers. The Yamaha there was a slight improvement in the CD Direct Mode. LINK
He found no difference when testing the Denon models such as the x3600.

I’ve seen EQ flattening the in-room response graph (objective).

I am saying that none of the Auto-EQ subjectively improved the SQ of Direct Mode.

When I go back and forth between EQ vs No-EQ, EQ does not sound better than No-EQ.

My conclusion is the same every time - try the auto-EQ and compare to no-EQ. Then use whichever sounds the best, not whichever has the flattest graph.

 

[Pogre]

I’ve seen EQ flattening the in-room response graph (objective).

I am saying that none of the Auto-EQ subjectively improved the SQ of Direct Mode.

When I go back and forth between EQ vs No-EQ, EQ does not sound better than No-EQ.

How about just for bass frequencies? I know you used to be a huge fan of DEQ for bass, and used L/R bypass. I can understand a preference for no eq with nice speakers like yours but I wouldn't want to go without some kind of eq for bass.

 

[lovinthehd]

I see you mention this quite often. Is this a subjective opinion, or have you seen bench testing showing this to be the case on some receivers? On all of the bench tests Amir has done, Direct/Pure Direct has made no difference.
Edit: I am mistaken in that Amir did find a difference in one of the receivers. The Yamaha there was a slight improvement in the CD Direct Mode. LINK
He found no difference when testing the Denon models such as the x3600.

IIRC the only difference on Denon for pure direct vs direct is that in "pure" the panel lcd is turned off.....wouldn't surprise me that makes no difference....

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

How about just for bass frequencies? I know you used to be a huge fan of DEQ for bass, and used L/R bypass. I can understand a preference for no eq with nice speakers like yours but I wouldn't want to go without some kind of eq for bass.

Yes, I have to EQ the bass.

So I EQ only 20-80Hz.

 

[Gmoney]

I do use YPAO and DRC on some Sources. You know the ones that are poorly recorded on those cheap 5 buck movies you can pickup at Walmart that comes out of Mexico. although it isn’t a fix for a poorly recorded movie soundtrack it does help out with the Dynamics and the Dialogue

 

[Gmoney]

How about just for bass frequencies? I know you used to be a huge fan of DEQ for bass, and used L/R bypass. I can understand a preference for no eq with nice speakers like yours but I wouldn't want to go without some kind of eq for bass.

Same here Pogre, I do up the EQ thing of bass just like TLSGUY lives by, a lot is happening around the 250 to 400 range. Now some guys love the lower end of the bass 125 down to 30 or even below 25hz, not me I’ll let them Boom boom car like bass guys you hear passing by your house at 12 am Rattling the windows in your home. bomb bomb bu- bono bonobo lolo

 

[3db]

The difference in setting of direct to pure direct is often merely turning off the lcd panel....bfd.

In Yamahas Pure Direct turns off the room EQ and bass management. The RX-V1500 and RX-V1800 turns off the display, the RX-V1900 offers you a choice on whether you want the display lit or not. I have to double check on the RX-A3060 if one has a choice to keep the display lit or not.

 

[3db]

You mean when using Pure Direct mode, you have to output the main front Left/Right channels to the Sub Amp for bass? That's what I do since Yamaha will not output any Sub/LFE signal in PD mode.

I wish Yamaha would allow Sub/LFE output in PD mode. But at least Yamaha gave us the XLR balanced outputs for the Main Front L/R channels.

There's a way around this that I use. I have to review the results for the RX-A3060 but for the RX-V1900, I turn off YPAO after it was run, set my speakers to small and send bass to the sub only. I have a choice of sending bass to mains +sub but I dont choose it. Its not Pure Direct by Yamaha's strict definition but you get to have bass management with no YPAO. I know this can be done on teh RX-A3060 but I have to revisit how I did this. The RX-A3060 is fairly knew to me still and I have to play with it some more to get better aquainted with it. I dont think the RX-A3080 is that much different.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

There's a way around this that I use. I have to review the results for the RX-A3060 but for the RX-V1900, I turn off YPAO after it was run, set my speakers to small and send bass to the sub only. I have a choice of sending bass to mains +sub but I dont choose it. Its not Pure Direct by Yamaha's strict definition but you get to have bass management with no YPAO. I know this can be done on teh RX-A3060 but I have to revisit how I did this. The RX-A3060 is fairly knew to me still and I have to play with it some more to get better aquainted with it. I dont think the RX-A3080 is that much different.

Yeah, I use Through mode which allows Subs - when NOT using my Yamaha Mixer for Karaoke.

But for my Karaoke, I use a Yamaha stereo mixer, and if I do not use Pure Direct Mode, I get this delay in vocals - kind of like an echo effect. It's the exact same way with Denon/Marantz. If I don't use Direct/Pure Direct, there is a delay in echo through the Yamaha Mixer.

If I'm not using Karaoke and just listening to music or watching movies, I don't have to use Pure Direct mode.

In contrast, D/M allows you to use Pure Direct mode and also use Subs.

So Yamaha needs to learn this trick from DM: Allow full Subwoofer output with Pure Direct Mode.

I know some Yamaha fans have complained about not being able to use Subs in Pure Direct modes, while Denon and Marantz fans don't have this issue.

Now if you're asking if the PD mode from D/M is "Fake" since they allow Sub output, the answer is that it is absolutely real PD mode. I know because my Yamaha Mixer doesn't lie! Only true PD mode will not have this delay in vocals.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

In Yamahas Pure Direct turns off the room EQ and bass management. The RX-V1500 and RX-V1800 turns off the display, the RX-V1900 offers you a choice on whether you want the display lit or not. I have to double check on the RX-A3060 if one has a choice to keep the display lit or not.

Let me know if the A3060 has an option for keeping the display ON in PD mode. I don't like it when my beautiful screen turns black.

 

[lovinthehd]

In Yamahas Pure Direct turns off the room EQ and bass management. The RX-V1500 and RX-V1800 turns off the display, the RX-V1900 offers you a choice on whether you want the display lit or not. I have to double check on the RX-A3060 if one has a choice to keep the display lit or not.

Yeah a bit different in terms from Yamaha to Denon I suppose, as I mentioned more recently, on Denon the direct mode does turn off/disable features similarly, pure direct only adds the turning off of panel lights....

 

[3db]

Let me know if the A3060 has an option for keeping the display ON in PD mode. I don't like it when my beautiful screen turns black.

Setup menu.... sound menu.....DSP PureDirect can be set to auto or off