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[Danzilla31]

Short answer: YES

Biden 77
trump 73
Sanders 78
Hillary 72

Those are the four major candidates I was referring to from the last and current election.

And yes... BOTH parties could field better candidates.

(I should move to Finland)

Hell Ryan as much as I'm unhappy with Trump the more I research on Biden the more he scares the s@$!t out of me. Do you have room on that plane to Finland? I'm coming with you

 

[ryanosaur]

Hell Ryan as much as I'm unhappy with Trump the more I research on Biden the more he scares the s@$!t out of me. Do you have room on that plane to Finland? I'm coming with you

Biden doesn't scare me the way Trump does, and another 4 years of that... Hell, I'd welcome Amash just to change the vibe. I might not like it, but...
SMDH

 

[Danzilla31]

Biden doesn't scare me the way Trump does, and another 4 years of that... Hell, I'd welcome Amash just to change the vibe. I might not like it, but...
SMDH

I still say we take the plane to Finland.

 

[JerryLove]

Or putting a Exxon executive in charge of the EPA?

Telecom lobbiest in the FCC.
Head of the DoE who literally didn't know what the DoE did (but wanted to shut it down). Perry was surprised that they manage, for example, our nuclear stockpile.

The list goes on and on and on.

A Labradoodle breeder, an internet thug and a college senior walk into the White House

Here are some of key members of your White House pandemic team, writes Michael D'Antonio: Brian Harrison, a former Labradoodle breeder; Michael Caputo, an internet thug; and James Bacon, a college senior.

www.cnn.com

 

[JerryLove]

One question maybe someone could help me with

Isn't there a stronger candidate they could have found then Biden for the democrats?

Michelle Obama.

if he's qualified he's qualified but I just feel like the democrats missed a real chance here by not going with a younger different candidate I can't help feeling that they dropped the ball maybe.

They have gone with the old, white, pseudo-republican because the GOP has done a masterful job of equating FDA regulations to Stalinist Russia and sounding the dog whistles for every female or minority candidate.

 

[KEW]

Maybe Biden will get a good running mate! Michele Obama would be a good call! Heck, I wonder if Barack would be willing!
He's by no means first on my list, but once Mayor Pete was out and it was down to Sanders, Warren, and Biden, Biden won the primary because both Warren and Bernie were not so popular with the independents and centrists, thus he was a safer call from the perspective of getting Trump out which is the unifying element!

 

[ellisr63]

Maybe Biden will get a good running mate! Michele Obama would be a good call! Heck, I wonder if Barack would be willing!
He's by no means first on my list, but once Mayor Pete was out and it was down to Sanders, Warren, and Biden, Biden won the primary because both Warren and Bernie were not so popular with the independents and centrists, thus he was a safer call from the perspective of getting Trump out which is the unifying element!

North so sure about tha..on Super Tuesday Bloomberg put millions into TV commercials to stop Sanders, and specifically held out on dropping out until after Super Tuesday. Sanders had a great lead going and the DNC made sure that vpthey fixed the votes on Super Tuesday. Biden was struggling to even get a delegate before Super Tuesday. It is all about the money and the DNC once again slammed the door shut on Sanders. In 2016 Sanders won won the vote and the DNC demanded a 2nd vote later in the day, and then was able to get enough votes to give us Shillary. The DNC is the problem and keeps giving us lame candidates that they can control and keep the corruption going. Votingnfor the lesser of evil candidate is BS, and needs to stop. Both the Dmeocratic Party and the Republican party are corrupt, and their hands are deep in the pockets of the rich and Corporations.
Sadly, everyone that thinks Biden can beat Trump...get ready for 4 more years of Trump. Biden is mentally I'll and Trump is. Going to destroy him in November.

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[JerryLove]

North so sure about tha..on Super Tuesday Bloomberg put millions into TV commercials to stop Sanders, and specifically held out on dropping out until after Super Tuesday.

Whether false, true, or none-of-the-above this is exactly the rhetoric pushed by the Russians to get Trump elected last time. I've no doubt you'd see propaganda about how Biden was robbed and Sanders will turn us into Venezuela had Sanders won the nomination.

It is all about the money and the DNC once again slammed the door shut on Sanders. [...] get enough votes to give us Shillary. [...] corruption going. Votingn for the lesser of evil candidate is BS, and needs to stop.

I get it. You are attempting to get a win for Trump by convincing people to not vote for Biden. It's the same propaganda from last time.

Both the Dmeocratic Party and the Republican party are corrupt, and their hands are deep in the pockets of the rich and Corporations.

Remember that time that Obama withheld foreign aid until a country agreed to start a sham investigation into his political rival? No?

How about that time that the democratic leader of the house declared that the #1 priority of the party was making sure the republican in office was a one-term president?

Remember when Obama's children were over in China selling Obama real-estate and offering access to the president in exchange for large investments?

No? You don't remember any of those?

Claiming "both" is a false equivalence. Again: it's deliberately designed to allow the GOP to continue acting against the interests of the American people while not losing votes.

 

[lovinthehd]

Interesting autopsy report from what is now considered the first coronavirus victim in US..... https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-updates-COVID-19-Bay-Area-deaths-cases-15225947.php

 

[ellisr63]

Whether false, true, or none-of-the-above this is exactly the rhetoric pushed by the Russians to get Trump elected last time. I've no doubt you'd see propaganda about how Biden was robbed and Sanders will turn us into Venezuela had Sanders won the nomination.




I get it. You are attempting to get a win for Trump by convincing people to not vote for Biden. It's the same propaganda from last time.


Remember that time that Obama withheld foreign aid until a country agreed to start a sham investigation into his political rival? No?

How about that time that the democratic leader of the house declared that the #1 priority of the party was making sure the republican in office was a one-term president?

Remember when Obama's children were over in China selling Obama real-estate and offering access to the president in exchange for large investments?

No? You don't remember any of those?

Claiming "both" is a false equivalence. Again: it's deliberately designed to allow the GOP to continue acting against the interests of the American people while not losing votes.

No I watched the report at the DNC when the vote had just taken place, and I also have a friend who verified it as true. I am not trying to get Trump elected. The DNC is doing a great job at that. I am a Democrat, but I am leaving the De socratic Party as they are as corrupt as they come. Biden doesnt even know where he is, and is incompetent. Why do you think he refused to have another debate? How responsible is it to tell people to go vote for him when the president had ordered no close contact? Bernie dropped out to campaign for the people once again, and this time he is campaigning to help people with Corona virus, and where is Biden? When you nominate a incompetent person who is riding on his past, and has major health issues, you have no chance of a beating Teump. You did see where Biden actually came out and said he is in bad health and is going to select a good VP to take over when he dies , did you not?

As far as Bloomberg running the smear campaign on Sanders. He specifically came out and said he was putting Billions in commercials to smear Sanders.

As far as Trump he is already on the path to the USA being a 3rd world Country...once the Corona virus has its first round due to his lying, and inept management of the whole Corona virus. Wait for the 2nd round when the people who had it and survived get it again and die.

I normally agree with you, but not in this circumstance.
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[JerryLove]

No I watched the report at the DNC when the vote had just taken place, and I also have a friend who verified it as true. I am not trying to get Trump elected.

Whether false, true, or none-of-the-above this is exactly the rhetoric pushed by the Russians to get Trump elected last time. I've no doubt you'd see propaganda about how Biden was robbed and Sanders will turn us into Venezuela had Sanders won the nomination.

I am a Democrat

Who did you vote for in the 2018 presidential election?

I'm just going to go ahead and snip the rest of your rhetoric designed to get people to not come out to vote for the democratic nominee. It is literally the Russian playbook that got Trump elected in 2018.[/quote][/QUOTE]

 

[Dan]

The Yalta conference is one of history's great comedic moments, at least from the vantage of the present (I'm sure it wasn't funny to the many millions who suffered due to Stalin's machinations at Yalta). Think of Churchill's frustrations at out-of-it FDR's concessions to a conniving Stalin. It would make for a great comedy, albeit a very dark comedy. I think Yalta would have ended very differently had FDR had his wits about him. He "held most of the cards" at that moment, politically speaking.

I think Stalin had a stacked deck. He had already begun the process of overrunning Eastern Europe and he wanted the honor of taking Berlin with the million casualties the Soviets would suffer. Once he had Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, and Yugoslavia he wasn't gonna give them up or allow free elections. It was all Churchill could do to keep Greece free. The west didn't want the bloodbath of taking Berlin. In addition, we wanted the Russians to declare war on Japan to speed that up so I'm not sure what cards you mean. We didn't have the bomb yet and there was no desire to start WW3 with the Russians immediately after the end of the second.

 

[highfigh]

Biden seems to be doing well. He has had a reputation for sound bite gaffs since he was young, so don't use that as an indicator of decline.
However, Trump did a very dangerous thing. He has consistently dismantled the expertise in his advisers and committees and replaced them ... with loyalty as the primary qualification over experience. Within the "checks and balances" provided by our system, he is doing everything possible to get as close to being a dictator as he can and it is scary how far he has gotten.
That is not Biden's character. He is likely to have a tough time finding the level of experts that were in place before Trump, but he appreciates the concept of having knowledgeable advisers and will listen to them. I certainly prefer an intelligent and mentally capable president, but would far rather have an "out to lunch" president who takes advantage of his advisers.
I suspect that over the years, we have had a few presidents, who, by the end of their term were being "handled" by their advisers. While I don't think that is the ideal, I don't see it as outright dangerous the way having a grandiose narcissist for president is!

Remember years ago (maybe people where you lived didn't say it), when someone would make a comment that was very stupid- another person might tap their finger on their head and say "Kidneys".

Just as dangerous as someone who's out to lunch taking advantage of their advisors is advisors who take advantage of someone who's out to lunch. I don't want a 'President by committee' and it's time that the members of Congress start working for the benefit of the country, rather than their party. As bad as this is, it could really go sideways very quickly. We don't need ultra Progressives in those positions any more than we need ultra Conservatives.

 

[highfigh]

Isn't AOC 30, now? she'd still be too young to serve as president in 2028/29, not until the following election in 2032.

I'm pulling for Corey Booker to make a strong run next time around. Possibly Kamala. Don't forget Gavin is likely to run soon, too.

Mind, I'd also be willing to consider a non-dem, as long as they aren't right-wing-nut crazy and do away with the social conservative religious BS.

Math not one of your strong subjects? POTUS has to be 35 and in 2028, she'll be 38.

 

[ryanosaur]

Math not one of your strong subjects? POTUS has to be 35 and in 2028, she'll be 38.

No, civics. I thought it was 40 for the presidency. *shrugs
I’ll take the lump on that one.

 

[highfigh]

I thought O'Rourke was pretty promising.

It's agism that there's a minimum age but not a maximum


Speaking of candidates we like from the side we don't normally vote for: I remember long ago when Colin Powell was being pondered as a nominee. I really wanted that man to run. He would have gotten my vote at least.

WRT O'Rourke- your reasons?

POTUS isn't an aldermanic seat where some kid can come out of nowhere and get their first leg up in politics- what person who's 35 year or younger has the qualifications for this office?

We have about 325 million people in this country- someone HAS to be the right candidate. We can't jerk back and forth- it's not working.

 

[ellisr63]

Whether false, true, or none-of-the-above this is exactly the rhetoric pushed by the Russians to get Trump elected last time. I've no doubt you'd see propaganda about how Biden was robbed and Sanders will turn us into Venezuela had Sanders won the nomination.

Who did you vote for in the 2018 presidential election?

I'm just going to go ahead and snip the rest of your rhetoric designed to get people to not come out to vote for the democratic nominee. It is literally the Russian playbook that got Trump elected in 2018.

[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]I voted for Sanders, and then in November I voted for Jill Stein. There is no way I will vote for Biden nor Trump, and do not give me the BS that not voting for Biden means I voted for Trump either. I have been a Democrat and voted Democrat all the way up u til 2016 when we got Hillary. I vote for the best Candidate and that is how I will always vote. The BS of voting for the lesser of 2 evils is BS. If the party decides to put a lame candidate in it is their fault. As far as Sanders turning us in to Venezuela that is another fake news. Every Country I. The world of has single payer health except for us...you know why...it is because the Corporation run the Country. My medical bill for my heart surgery was $250k! In Mexico it is $35k, and do not say the medical care is not as good as the USA either. The Hospitals here have Drs from all over the world, that have studied in the USA or Europe. My asthma inhaler is $500 a month with out insurance and $250 with insurance...in Mexico the EXACT same med (not generic) is unfunded $50. In the USA we get ripped off on our Medical insurance, and Meds. If you do not believe that you are watching to much propaganda news.

Good luck with Trump. I am out of here...you can argue with yourself on this.

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[Mikado463]

WRT O'Rourke- your reasons?

POTUS isn't an aldermanic seat where some kid can come out of nowhere and get their first leg up in politics- what person who's 35 year or younger has the qualifications for this office?

We have about 325 million people in this country- someone HAS to be the right candidate. We can't jerk back and forth- it's not working.

agreed, the mere thought of AOC(at this stage) is a joke, no different than the one we have in there right now. The fact that the Dems were so sure of themselves the last go around with Hillary, playing on the, 'its your turn honey' better hope they don't 'F-up' again with Joe.

 

[shadyJ]

I think Stalin had a stacked deck. He had already begun the process of overrunning Eastern Europe and he wanted the honor of taking Berlin with the million casualties the Soviets would suffer. Once he had Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, and Yugoslavia he wasn't gonna give them up or allow free elections. It was all Churchill could do to keep Greece free. The west didn't want the bloodbath of taking Berlin. In addition, we wanted the Russians to declare war on Japan to speed that up so I'm not sure what cards you mean. We didn't have the bomb yet and there was no desire to start WW3 with the Russians immediately after the end of the second.

It's true that by that time the Red Army was a formidable force, but they were still being supplied by the USA. Also, the axis forces were more sympathetic to the western allied powers than the Soviets. The western allied soldiers were more disciplined, better equipped, and in better physical health. Western allied forces also had vastly better air support. However, it's also true their commanders were a bit more squeamish about taking losses.

 

[Trell]

agreed, the mere thought of AOC(at this stage) is a joke, no different than the one we have in there right now. The fact that the Dems were so sure of themselves the last go around with Hillary, playing on the, 'its your turn honey' better hope they don't 'F-up' again with Joe.

From what I've seen of AOC (a Social Democrat in Europe terms) in committee hearings I think she would make a much better President than Trump, and have assembled a far better Cabinet.

Do you think AOC would wonder whether or not injecting oneself with household disinfectants might be a cure for Covid-19?