7-channel power amplifier recommendations

[CajunLB]

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[PhilCohen]

I could have anticipated some aspects of Outlaw's explanation, but I should note:
Emotiva (which also manufactures their amplifiers in the U.S.A. using some Chinese parts) raised the price of their amplifiers at the peak of the trade war, but they increased them only $100 (not $700), then, after the worst of the trade war had passed, they reversed the $100 increase,, reverting to the original price.
By the way, when Emotiva had four shipments from China impounded by U.S. customs (in January 2019), the issue wasn't amplifier parts. The problem was OEM-sourced Compact Disc players that were included in those shipments. The matter was resolved within a month.
Also, I'm considering the idea that instead of buying a 7-channel power amplifier, that I could achieve 7-channel amplification by augmenting my existing ADCOM 5-channel amplifier with a 2-channel amplifier (to power the "Back" speakers in a 7.1 system)

 

[lovinthehd]

You can't draw a parallel like that with Emotiva without a lot more actual information; for one thing afaik Outlaw is a brand, not a manufacturer so another layer is involved. So Emotiva tried to import trademark protected gear without permission? That can be fun, been in the middle of a few of those.

 

[PhilCohen]

In all likelyhood, Emotiva's situation with customs involved laser safety certification documents for the CD players. The overseas factory builds the CD players for Emotiva.

 

[lovinthehd]

In all likelyhood, Emotiva's situation with customs involved laser safety certification documents for the CD players. The overseas factory builds the CD players for Emotiva.

That would be unusual as it's a relatively simple certification. Are you a customs broker too?

 

[M Code]

I could have anticipated some aspects of Outlaw's explanation, but I should note:
Emotiva (which also manufactures their amplifiers in the U.S.A. using some Chinese parts) raised the price of their amplifiers at the peak of the trade war, but they increased them only $100 (not $700), then, after the worst of the trade war had passed, they reversed the $100 increase,, reverting to the original price.
By the way, when Emotiva had four shipments from China impounded by U.S. customs (in January 2019), the issue wasn't amplifier parts. The problem was OEM-sourced Compact Disc players that were included in those shipments. The matter was resolved within a month.
Also, I'm considering the idea that instead of buying a 7-channel power amplifier, that I could achieve 7-channel amplification by augmenting my existing ADCOM 5-channel amplifier with a 2-channel amplifier (to power the "Back" speakers in a 7.1 system)

Note that Emotiva like other USA brands that assemble audio component products in the USA, source a very high % of components from China. Multiple metal aluminum parts, heat sinks, chassis, front & rear panels, power transformers, electrolytic capacitors even many loudspeaker components including tweeters, woofers, mid-ranges all are sourced from China. Causing Emotiva and other USA brands to import many containers with components, for example just in the month of April Emotiva has already received (4) containers from the Orient...
Note that subject data of imports are matter of public records that include the content detail, value, exporter ID and importer ID. There are several reasons the buying cost of these components are increasing, but that is another economic discussion....

Just my $0.02...

 

[lovinthehd]

Note that Emotiva like other USA brands that assemble audio component products in the USA, source a very high % of components from China. Multiple metal aluminum parts, heat sinks, chassis, front & rear panels, power transformers, electrolytic capacitors even many loudspeaker components including tweeters, woofers, mid-ranges all are sourced from China. Causing Emotiva and other USA brands to import many containers with components, for example just in the month of April Emotiva has already received (4) containers from the Orient...
Note that subject data of imports are matter of public records that include the content detail, value, exporter ID and importer ID. There are several reasons the buying cost of these components are increasing, but that is another economic discussion....

Just my $0.02...

Let alone the logistics economies of your own full containers delivered direct....curious, what do you use to mine import data these days?

 

[M Code]

Let alone the logistics economies of your own full containers delivered direct....curious, what do you use to mine import data these days?

We use a service out of New York called Panjiva, they are part of larger corp., S&P Global Intelligence. Note that there is a significant subscriber $ fee...
But if U just google Panjiva U should be able to sample an overview of their data.
In today's highly competitive marketplace, one has to do their homework and be especially savy about our competition including sources and pricing..

Just my $0.02...

 

[lovinthehd]

We use a service out of New York called Panjiva, they are part of larger corp., S&P Global Intelligence. Note that there is a significant subscriber $ fee...
But if U just google Panjiva U should be able to sample an overview of their data.
In today's highly competitive marketplace, one has to do their homework and be especially savy about our competition including sources and pricing..

Just my $0.02...

I didn't think you were using a government provided database....last I looked it was not available (but haven't tried in years since I'm retired). There was a service that was free for a while for basic info but they leveraged it into a logistics/brokerage business, but still offer subscriptions I believe (importgenius). We used to go down to the customs house record room to manually copy data once upon a time before the internet....

 

[M Code]

I didn't think you were using a government provided database....last I looked it was not available (but haven't tried in years since I'm retired). There was a service that was free for a while for basic info but they leveraged it into a logistics/brokerage business, but still offer subscriptions I believe (importgenius). We used to go down to the customs house record room to manually copy data once upon a time before the internet....

The import data is taken from the US Customs database, since all import shipments are logged in. Some years back when the majority of audio brands/products were assembled/exported from Japan. Through MITI, we could access very detailed breakdown even to the category type such as amplifier, receiver, loudspeaker to each global market. For example, if Denon claimed they had a 20% market share in receivers very quickly we could either confirm or deny its accuracy. However today, the audio biz is more diversified with multiple exporting countries such as Malaysia, Korea, Singapore, China, Japan gathering competitive data is a bigger challenge and Panjiva provides a required marketing intelligence tool...

Just my $0.02...

 

[lovinthehd]

The import data is taken from the US Customs database, since all import shipments are logged in. Some years back when the majority of audio brands/products were assembled/exported from Japan. Through MITI, we could access very detailed breakdown even to the category type such as amplifier, receiver, loudspeaker to each global market. For example, if Denon claimed they had a 20% market share in receivers very quickly we could either confirm or deny its accuracy. However today, the audio biz is more diversified with multiple exporting countries such as Malaysia, Korea, Singapore, China, Japan gathering competitive data is a bigger challenge and Panjiva provides a required marketing intelligence tool...

Just my $0.02...

Plus with various distributors/traders in the mix also has possibility to confuse things. Yes, fortunately it is still in place that import/export data (at least base elements) are public. I just wish I had the internet based ones when I started out....going to the federal building where they housed it was a pain (and it wasn't the customshouse, at least in San Francisco plus most of us were airport based rather than near downtown for customshouse/federal buildings). MITI is what particularly?

 

[M Code]

Plus with various distributors/traders in the mix also has possibility to confuse things. Yes, fortunately it is still in place that import/export data (at least base elements) are public. I just wish I had the internet based ones when I started out....going to the federal building where they housed it was a pain (and it wasn't the customshouse, at least in San Francisco plus most of us were airport based rather than near downtown for customshouse/federal buildings). MITI is what particularly?

MITI stands for Ministry of International Trade & Industry...
Back some years, 1 of my clients very prominent, major brand based in Japan, mentioned very frequently on this forum.. .
The client's marketing staff based in Japan would get the export info directly from MITI , and organize into a consolidated monthly report sent to me. To me it was an eye-opener, on the public surface, a brand may make a claim and U could check right away if BS or not... This way we knew the real facts about market share and following sales.. Also when we saw a major upward blip in the data by a competitive brand, this would disclose when his release schedule for new product would arrive... In some instances we would adjust our sales/marketing programs as to meet the competition.

Here is a link to MITI.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_International_Trade_and_Industry


Just my $0.02...

 

[lovinthehd]

MITI stands for Ministry of International Trade & Industry...
Back some years, 1 of my clients very prominent, major brand based in Japan, mentioned very frequently on this forum.. .
The client's marketing staff based in Japan would get the export info directly from MITI , and organize into a consolidated monthly report sent to me. To me it was an eye-opener, on the public surface, a brand may make a claim and U could check right away if BS or not... This way we knew the real facts about market share and following sales.. Also when we saw a major upward blip in the data by a competitive brand, this would disclose when his release schedule for new product would arrive... In some instances we would adjust our sales/marketing programs as to meet the competition.

Here is a link to MITI.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_International_Trade_and_Industry


Just my $0.02...

That was the closest I came up with my search. Internet makes all this...different.

 

[PhilCohen]

Thanks everybody, but this discussion has gone off on a tangent.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Thanks everybody, but this discussion has gone off on a tangent.

Have you thought about the ATI AT527Nc 200x7 amps?

 

[PhilCohen]

Have you thought about the ATI AT527Nc 200x7 amps?

Where can it be obtained?

 

[lovinthehd]

Where can it be obtained?

Amplifier Technologies Inc.

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[VMPS-TIII]

ADCOM High performance audio amplifiers, pre-amplifiers and tuners

www.adcom.com

This $2999 5 channel amp is listed at the link above.

 

[PhilCohen]

I was strongly considering the Emotiva XPA-7, but, considering that the manufacturer builds to order and immediately charges the customer's credit card, it is too risky to order at the present time. There's no way for me to know when or if Emotiva can supply the product. I don't need the potential stress and frustration.

 

[DigitalDawn]

ATI builds their amps right here in the US -- California. Never had a customer not love ATI. https://www.ati-amp.com/home.php

I'm an ATI dealer. If I can answer any questions please let me know.