Did I waste my money on unnecessary wattage?

[ryanosaur]

It’s a cut off for the LFE channel, which contains information from infrasonic territory... up to 120 hz.
It’s always recommended to leave that setting defaulted at... 120.

 

[lovinthehd]

LFE, 120 Hz.

The LPF of LFE? Yes, that's normally 120. Your answer overall I'm not sure I understand. Was mostly wondering what you meant by adjusting also the sub aside from crossover for the fronts.

 

[lovinthehd]

If it is the LPF of LFE in the avr it's not really a sub adjustment as much as it is a limiting of content in recordings that have an actual .1 channel (LFE) (and there's really no good reason to limit it, many wonder why the adjustment is even there as it seems to cause more confusion than actual use/need). The "term" LFE can be confusing sometimes the way its used sometimes, tho.

 

[mossman77]

The LPF of LFE? Yes, that's normally 120. Your answer overall I'm not sure I understand. Was mostly wondering what you meant by adjusting also the sub aside from crossover for the fronts.

I meant I set the cutoff frequency for the LFE at 100 Hz. I guess I didn't realize there was a difference. Is LFE for movies only and that setting simply determines how much of the LFE signal gets sent to the sub and what gets sent to the front? When I set the high pass xover frequency for the front channels does it automatically set the sub xover to the same frequency?

 

[lovinthehd]

I meant I set the cutoff frequency for the LFE at 100 Hz. I guess I didn't realize there was a difference. Is LFE for movies only and that setting simply determines how much of the LFE signal gets sent to the sub and what gets sent to the front? When I set the high pass xover frequency for the front channels does it automatically set the sub xover to the same frequency?

See my post I think that crossed with yours.

You're not setting just a high pass with the crossover setting for your speakers....that's the crossover between speaker and sub. A crossover is a combination of the high pass for the speakers and the low pass for the sub. The LPF of LFE is just about limiting .1 channel content, which in most recordings is not existent past 120hz anyways. The LPF on your sub itself should be maxed out (or in using the "LFE" input on some that's automatic).

 

[mossman77]

See my post I think that crossed with yours.

You're not setting just a high pass with the crossover setting for your speakers....that's the crossover between speaker and sub. A crossover is a combination of the high pass for the speakers and the low pass for the sub. The LPF of LFE is just about limiting .1 channel content, which in most recordings is not existent past 120hz anyways. The LPF on your sub itself should be maxed out (or in using the "LFE" input on some that's automatic).

I understand now. The switch on the back of my sub is set for LFE and I have the LPF dial set to 120 Hz. It goes as high as 150 Hz I believe. I'll just turn it up all the way since the receiver will dictate what gets sent to it anyway.

 

[Pogre]

The subwoofer menu gives me the option of selecting LFE or LFE+ Main and also what cutoff frequency ranging from 80Hz up to 250 Hz. I am able to set this independently of the xover for the front channels. The one 12" SVS sub is plenty for my room.

I'm happy with how it sounds now. I'm going to keep the setup I have for now. I greatly appreciate all the feedback!

That's awesome. I see HD got you squared away with LPF-LFE... confusing bs is what it is, but it's a part of the hobby, lol. Glad we got you into a better spot.

 

[mossman77]

That's awesome. I see HD got you squared away with LPF-LFE... confusing bs is what it is, but it's a part of the hobby, lol. Glad we got you into a better spot.

Yeah. Switching the xover to 100Hz made a huge difference. All the sudden my sub came to life. Haha.

I'm used to the car audio world where you have to adjust the xover for the sub separately from the mids and tweets, hence the confusion. All makes sense now.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Yeah. Switching the xover to 100Hz made a huge difference. All the sudden my sub came to life. Haha.

I'm used to the car audio world where you have to adjust the xover for the sub separately from the mids and tweets, hence the confusion. All makes sense now.

My Yamaha XO setting is 120Hz for all speakers in my 5.1.4 setup. Let the subs do their thingy.

 

[mossman77]

Now that I'm happy with my 3.1 setup, I'm like to add some in-wall rear surrounds. I'll start a separate thread to start that discussion.

 

[lovinthehd]

Yeah. Switching the xover to 100Hz made a huge difference. All the sudden my sub came to life. Haha.

I'm used to the car audio world where you have to adjust the xover for the sub separately from the mids and tweets, hence the confusion. All makes sense now.

There is some home gear with separate adjustment but more the exception rather than the rule.....

 

[Pogre]

Now that I'm happy with my 3.1 setup, I'm like to add some in-wall rear surrounds. I'll start a separate thread to start that discussion.

That's great. I'm glad you were able to get that sorted. I don't think the Mythos speakers are bad at all. They're a bit of a compromise of form (mainly size) over performance but still well built and look nice. They just don't dig very deep and need that higher crossover. I'll bet it cleaned up the sound across the board and you might even have a little more dynamic range now too.

As far as surround speakers go they're not as critical to match with your main speakers as they're mainly for effects. Unless you're going to be listening to a ton of 5.1 music and even then they're still mainly for effect. That said it's always cool to stay in the family when you can. I don't know what DefTech has for in wall solutions but I'm pretty sure they do have some choices. You don't necessarily need dual 6 1/2" drivers for surround either so you can save a few bucks there too.

 

[mossman77]

That's great. I'm glad you were able to get that sorted. I don't think the Mythos speakers are bad at all. They're a bit of a compromise of form (mainly size) over performance but still well built and look nice. They just don't dig very deep and need that higher crossover. I'll bet it cleaned up the sound across the board and you might even have a little more dynamic range now too.

As far as surround speakers go they're not as critical to match with your main speakers as they're mainly for effects. Unless you're going to be listening to a ton of 5.1 music and even then they're still mainly for effect. That said it's always cool to stay in the family when you can. I don't know what DefTech has for in wall solutions but I'm pretty sure they do have some choices. You don't necessarily need dual 6 1/2" drivers for surround either so you can save a few bucks there too.

Found these from DefTech. Available in 6.5" and 8" with swivel tweeter.

DT Custom Install Series Rectangular In-Wall Speakers | Definitive

The Definitive Technology DT Custom Install Series Rectangular In-Wall Speakers offer the most powerful, full-range sound on the market.

www.definitivetechnology.com

or

DT Custom Install Series Rectangular In-Wall Speakers | Definitive Technology

The Definitive Technology DT Custom Install Series Rectangular In-Wall Speakers offer the most powerful, full-range sound on the market.

www.definitivetechnology.com

Also questioning whether it would be better to go with in-wall behind the sofa OR in-ceiling above. Here's the thread I started to discuss. You guys have been a wealth of information and I'd greatly appreciate you taking the time to reply with any input you have. Thanks again.

In-wall rear surround recommendations

I currently have a 3.1 setup consisting of three DefTech Mythos Nine on-wall speakers and an SVS SB-1000 sub, and would like to add two rear surrounds. Due to space constraints, I'd like to go with in-wall speakers. Also, since the main listening position (sofa) is against the rear wall, I'm...

forums.audioholics.com

 

[lovinthehd]

Found these from DefTech. Available in 6.5" and 8" with swivel tweeter.

DT Custom Install Series Rectangular In-Wall Speakers | Definitive

The Definitive Technology DT Custom Install Series Rectangular In-Wall Speakers offer the most powerful, full-range sound on the market.

www.definitivetechnology.com

or

DT Custom Install Series Rectangular In-Wall Speakers | Definitive Technology

The Definitive Technology DT Custom Install Series Rectangular In-Wall Speakers offer the most powerful, full-range sound on the market.

www.definitivetechnology.com

Also questioning whether it would be better to go with in-wall behind the sofa OR in-ceiling above. Here's the thread I started to discuss. You guys have been a wealth of information and I'd greatly appreciate you taking the time to reply with any input you have. Thanks again.

In-wall rear surround recommendations

I currently have a 3.1 setup consisting of three DefTech Mythos Nine on-wall speakers and an SVS SB-1000 sub, and would like to add two rear surrounds. Due to space constraints, I'd like to go with in-wall speakers. Also, since the main listening position (sofa) is against the rear wall, I'm...

forums.audioholics.com

In a 5.1 setup surrounds should be more to the sides, rear surrounds come into play in a 7.1 setup. Might want to review the suggested placement from Dolby for 5.1 https://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/surround-sound-speaker-setup/5-1-setup.html

 

[mossman77]

In a 5.1 setup surrounds should be more to the sides, rear surrounds come into play in a 7.1 setup. Might want to review the suggested placement from Dolby for 5.1 https://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/surround-sound-speaker-setup/5-1-setup.html

Okay, so in-ceiling to the left/right sounds like it would work?

 

[lovinthehd]

Okay, so in-ceiling to the left/right sounds like it would work?

In-ceiling would be only something I'd do for Atmos type setups (and if you did do Atmos later that's not a good bed layer position for the surrounds). I prefer my surrounds just above ear height to the sides and slightly behind....

 

[shkumar4963]

In-ceiling would be only something I'd do for Atmos type setups (and if you did do Atmos later that's not a good bed layer position for the surrounds). I prefer my surrounds just above ear height to the sides and slightly behind....

Yes. Ceiling based surrounds are not optimum.

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[lovinthehd]

Maybe consider surrounds high up on the wall instead....is banging into them a concern? Or aesthetics, or ?

 

[Gmoney]

Some great information here. At least half of it seems to be getting lost!

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Well said brother lol

 

[mossman77]

Well said brother lol

I don't appreciate the comment. There's a lot of input from different people and it's taking some time to process. I may have missed some replies. Nonetheless, I can be indecisive. Nobody wants to hear that the speakers and receiver they just bought a few months ago are no good and I should simply sell them and get new/better ones. That isn't an option, so I'm making the best of what I have. With respect to the amp, I'll admit it was an impulse buy, but I'll be hanging on to it because it will serve me well in future setups when I have the space for larger more powerful speakers. This thread has been exhausted and should be closed. For those of you that have remained cordial, I really appreciate the feedback and hope to learn more from you in other threads. Thanks.