Did I waste my money on unnecessary wattage?

[mossman77]

Agreed. And I appreciate all the feedback. I'll mess with the crossover settings this evening to see if I can get some fuller sound out of my current wall speakers and/or get the sub to fill in where the wall speakers are lacking. At this point, I'd like to stick with wall speakers and plan on keeping the XPA-3.

 

[mossman77]

My receiver doesn't have tone controls. It has a graphic EQ, which is nice, but doesn't lend itself to quick on-the-fly adjustments.

 

[Pogre]

Agreed. And I appreciate all the feedback. I'll mess with the crossover settings this evening to see if I can get some fuller sound out of my current wall speakers and/or get the sub to fill in where the wall speakers are lacking. At this point, I'd like to stick with wall speakers and plan on keeping the XPA-3.

I don't have much experience with in/on wall speakers, but if I were looking I'd probably check out RBH first. No particular reason other than I'm a fan and RBH tends to review and be received very well here at Audioholics.

I was kind of in between jobs this morning when I was replying earlier and just now had a chance to look the thread over a little better. Nothing wrong with keeping the amp. I have a separate amp myself and don't really "need" it, but I wanted one. I do have big towers and like it loud, but I also like the feeling of knowing there aren't many speakers my system can't handle and it helps my receiver run cooler.

The SR5013 is a little lean on room correction but you really should still run the setup routine. I believe it will still set your levels and distances, if not a little eq also. As also suggested, try a higher crossover. The Mythos speakers are really very nice speakers for what they are, which is more of an aesthetic appeal over performance. They just don't dig very deep and absolutely are gonna need some help from your sub(s). A higher crossover might give you a little bit more dynamic range.

 

[mossman77]

Thanks for taking the time to follow up. I just checked out the RBH on-wall speakers and I like what I see! Dual 6.5" woofers! I can't quite swallow the price tag though. I'd need three of them at $1,000 each. Yikes. Maybe there are some used or refurbished ones floating around online.

 

[Pogre]

In-wall is not an option. It's an exterior wall and there are studs everywhere.

Okay missed this. ON wall speakers removes some options. I thought you were good with in wall.

I have an SVS SB1000, which sounds awesome.

I agree whole heartedly. I had a pair of those same subs and they do sound great, but... they were woefully underpowered for my room. I now have a pair of ported 15"s and would not even consider going any less now that I've heard it in my room. I think you need a subwoofer upgrade. That would definitely give your speakers a fuller sound, for sure.

I'd like to stick with on-wall speakers. Just need to find some larger ones with 6.5" drivers. Not having much luck.

And you're not gonna have a whole lot of luck either. There just aren't a lot of on wall options out there to choose from that I know of. I don't think using regular speakers with the same wiring you put all that work into is a bad idea either. It will be a cleaner look than having the wires strewn about on the floor from your receiver to your speakers so I don't think it'd be a wasted effort.

Or readjust your expectations. You need a little more bass from the sounds of it and more capable subwoofage will get you there.

 

[Pogre]

Thanks for taking the time to follow up. I just checked out the RBH on-wall speakers and I like what I see! Dual 6.5" woofers! I can't quite swallow the price tag though. I'd need three of them at $1,000 each. Yikes. Maybe there are some used or refurbished ones floating around online.

That's great. I wasn't sure what they'd have for on wall speakers. You do get what you pay for with RBH. They make some very, very nice speakers.

 

[mossman77]

The speakers cables are run through an exterior wall above a fireplace and involved cutting many holes in the sheetrock to get them there. They cannot be relocated. I do however have access from below through the basement ceiling, but I really don't want to go with floor standers. There just isn't space, and even if there were, I wouldn't be able to sell the Mythos Nine speakers I just spent over $1,000 for a couple months ago.

 

[Gmoney]

Thanks for taking the time to follow up. I just checked out the RBH on-wall speakers and I like what I see! Dual 6.5" woofers! I can't quite swallow the price tag though. I'd need three of them at $1,000 each. Yikes. Maybe there are some used or refurbished ones floating around online.

Hey bro check with ADTG he’s a member here on AH
plus his is a Audio Dealer for RBH great guy give him a shout out. He may be able to help you out with Purchasing those speakers you like with RBH. Two years ago I got a pair of RBH Impression elite speakers with the matching center He hooked me up with a really great deal I paid way under list price for all 3 new. Andrew saved me 1000 bucks!

 

[PENG]

I guess I shouldn't have said "louder" because they really are pretty loud. I guess I meant "fuller", which probably isn't achievable with dual 4.5" drivers. I'll fiddle with the crossover frequencies to see if I can get the sound I'm looking for. I think I'll be keeping the XPA-3 regardless.

Regardless, if you listen to stereo music with volume at "0", your pre out may be at or near it's limit for remaining clean. That's why I mentioned the upgrade. At vol -10, I wouldn't be concerned. What's the level setting for your FL and FR as set by auto setup/Audyssey. It's a "future" thing because imo with the speakers you have now it really won't matter either way.

 

[M Code]

Thanks for taking the time to follow up. I just checked out the RBH on-wall speakers and I like what I see! Dual 6.5" woofers! I can't quite swallow the price tag though. I'd need three of them at $1,000 each. Yikes. Maybe there are some used or refurbished ones floating around online.

If U are shopping for In-Wall loudspeakers..
Check out Adept Audio.

Digital Catalog - Adept Audio

adept-audio.com

These guys use the development resources of Origin Acoustics, including their Trim-Out Ring for EZ mounting. Many, many years back the same tech crew invented the category of in-wall loudspeakers under the brand of SpeakerCraft but later bought out by Nortech. In the CEDIA arena these guys are top-rated, and their loudspeakers carry a life-time warranty.

Just my $0.02...

 

[Pogre]

If U are shopping for In-Wall loudspeakers..
Check out Adept Audio.

Digital Catalog - Adept Audio

adept-audio.com

These guys use the development resources of Origin Acoustics, including their Trim-Out Ring for EZ mounting. Many, many years back the same tech crew invented the category of in-wall loudspeakers under the brand of SpeakerCraft but later bought out by Nortech. In the CEDIA arena these guys are top-rated, and their loudspeakers carry a life-time warranty.

Just my $0.02...

He's looking for on wall, not in wall. I misread at first too. He currently has DefTech Mythos speakers up front.

*Edit: I must say I looked at the Mythos line when I was shopping and ended up being steered in another direction, which worked out better for me, I think. I like it big and loud and Mythos weren't quite that, but they're really sharp looking speakers. Aren't they "aircraft grade" aluminum cabinets? I've read that they're very inert and I'll bet they sound really detailed too.

 

[mossman77]

Yes, they have aluminum cabinets. They're pretty sharp. The main reason I got them is because of the passive radiators and I gound a great deal on three refurbished ones, two of which had blown tweeters, but the manufacturer didn't hesitate to fix them for free. Even paid for return shipping.

Guys, I changed the front crossover from 80 to 100Hz and also the sub and it sounds pretty damn good now!

 

[lovinthehd]

Yes, they have aluminum cabinets. They're pretty sharp. The main reason I got them is because of the passive radiators and I gound a great deal on three refurbished ones, two of which had blown tweeters, but the manufacturer didn't hesitate to fix them for free. Even paid for return shipping.

Guys, I changed the front crossover from 80 to 100Hz and also the sub and it sounds pretty damn good now!

What do you mean "also the sub"? You're using both the avr bass management and the low pass filter on the sub itself? Or?

 

[shkumar4963]

In the meantime try a higher crossover, 80hz maybe 100 and 120hz also to see what you prefer. It might make a lot of difference, probably wont be a perfect solution but worth trying. 60 seems very optimistic for those speakers because that will require them to play well at 30hz, the crossover is gradual and not an abrupt change. (I use a 60hz crossover on my fairly big speakers with 4x7” woofers each)


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That is s great short term solution. Will probably improve things a lot without any additional expense.

In the meantime, OP should not miss the return window for both the amps. They should be returned and money put in different speakers if needed.

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[shkumar4963]

For future proofing, and since you like your music loud, you may consider trading in the 5013 for the 6013/14 or even the Denon avr-3600h, assuming you are keeping the xpa-3.

Peng, I see where you are going with that. But I think higher crossover will solve OP's problem and if it does not, getting new speakers are better than changing the AVR. These AVRs are plenty powerful. A better sub may even be better than a different SVR in my opinion.

YMMV

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[Pogre]

What do you mean "also the sub"? You're using both the avr bass management and the low pass filter on the sub itself? Or?

Yeah... not liking the sound of "also the sub". That should be hooked up to LFE in and turn the low pass filter all the way up on the sub.

 

[shkumar4963]

Thanks for taking the time to follow up. I just checked out the RBH on-wall speakers and I like what I see! Dual 6.5" woofers! I can't quite swallow the price tag though. I'd need three of them at $1,000 each. Yikes. Maybe there are some used or refurbished ones floating around online.

While I know that you have decided on on-wall speakers, my experience is that for the same quality you have to spend more for on-wall speakers (up to 100% more) and even then the quality is limited at the upper end of price range.

So listen to good book shelf and floor standing speakers. You may get swayed by the quality of their sound.

And one more thing, external amps like XPA are overkill for on-wall speakers. Instead that money is better spent on different speakers and one more sub.

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[mossman77]

The subwoofer menu gives me the option of selecting LFE or LFE+ Main and also what cutoff frequency ranging from 80Hz up to 250 Hz. I am able to set this independently of the xover for the front channels. The one 12" SVS sub is plenty for my room.

I'm happy with how it sounds now. I'm going to keep the setup I have for now. I greatly appreciate all the feedback!

 

[ryanosaur]

The subwoofer menu gives me the option of selecting LFE or LFE+ Main and also what cutoff frequency ranging from 80Hz up to 250 Hz. I am able to set this independently of the xover for the front channes.

LFE, 120 Hz.

 

[mossman77]

LFE, 120 Hz.

I currently have it set at 100Hz and it sounds pretty good.