I have a question on my Anthem AVM 60

[snakeeyes]

I have my speakers set now at 120hz crossover to experiment. So far I’m liking it this way. I think @Pogre is onto something...

 

[lovinthehd]

I've been crossing in the 100-120 neighborhood for quite a while.

 

[Danzilla31]

I've been crossing in the 100-120 neighborhood for quite a while.

What are some of the benefits of setting a higher crossover? I'm just curious want to learn

 

[lovinthehd]

What are some of the benefits of setting a higher crossover? I'm just curious want to learn

I've just found it more preferable by experiment. @PENG has done some measurements that show benefits in response in his use, tho and he posted some reasoning behind it. Might help if subs have a decent upper response range (mine extend to 300hz fine)? Also not localizable...

 

[Danzilla31]

I've just found it more preferable by experiment. @PENG has done some measurements that show benefits in response in his use, tho and he posted some reasoning behind it. Might help if subs have a decent upper response range (mine extend to 300hz fine)? Also not localizable...

Thanks Lovin I'll ask @PENG about that good to know

 

[snakeeyes]

Thanks Lovin I'll ask @PENG about that good to know

Curious what he says. It’s easy to try though. I had done my HSUs in the living room first. Then I did my Rythmik in my Den too.

 

[PENG]

Curious what he says. It’s easy to try though. I had done my HSUs in the living room first. Then I did my Rythmik in my Den too.

Agreed, it is easy to try and choose whatever sounds best to you. That's obviously a subjective thing though, so to satisfy my curiosity, I plotted many REW graphs for various XO settings for my HT and two 2 Ch stereo systems to see the objective side. In every case, I found that with XO set to 40 or 60, the 15 to 200 Hz response for the L+R+Sub(s) did not look good, with or without XT32 on, whereas 80, 90, or 100, even 110 Hz yielded the flattest curves. Of the 3 systems, two are good size tower, one being the KEF R900, the 3rd ones are bookshelves, the LS50s. It looked obvious to me the way the L/R/Subs in both rooms interacted with each other to produce negative results, so bad that XT32 could not improve nearly enough, unless helped with higher XO settings.

 

[Danzilla31]

Agreed, it is easy to try and choose whatever sounds best to you. That's obviously a subjective thing though, so to satisfy my curiosity, I plotted many REW graphs for various XO settings for my HT and two 2 Ch stereo systems to see the objective side. In every case, I found that with XO set to 40 or 60, the 15 to 200 Hz response for the L+R+Sub(s) did not look good, with or without XT32 on, whereas 80, 90, or 100, even 110 Hz yielded the flattest curves. Of the 3 systems, two are good size tower, one being the KEF R900, the 3rd ones are bookshelves, the LS50s. It looked obvious to me the way the L/R/Subs in both rooms interacted with each other to produce negative results, so bad that XT32 could not improve nearly enough, unless helped with higher XO settings.

Thanks for taking the time to show that PENG
I wonder if it's only a room issue or other factors as well I've never liked crossovers set below 80 this maybe explains why
I do like them at 80 and liked them higher too just as I've mentioned on some deeper male voices I felt a thinness in the vocals but that could just be me I'll need to retry some crossover setting and decide what I like the most

 

[Pogre]

I have a lot more control over the fr with my subs since I have the MiniDSP on them so that's part of it for me. I have huge nulls at around 35 - 45 hz and again around 100 - 150 or so. Too much for Audyssey to handle by itself, tho it does do admirably considering what it has to start with. I need to roll my sleeves up again and experiment with the app some more.

 

[PENG]

Thanks for taking the time to show that PENG
I wonder if it's only a room issue or other factors as well I've never liked crossovers set below 80 this maybe explains why
I do like them at 80 and liked them higher too just as I've mentioned on some deeper male voices I felt a thinness in the vocals but that could just be me I'll need to retry some crossover setting and decide what I like the most

I am quite sure it is mostly the room, but probably a common issues for most small rooms. As I said I had done it in two different rooms (HT: 12X19X8 and Stereo: 11.5X16X9 but open to the dining room and living room/kitchen), both not great for XO below 80 Hz.

 

[snakeeyes]

After experimenting a bit more, I’m liking 110hz.

 

[Erod]

ARC typically sets my LCR to 80Hz, and my surrounds and heights from 90 to 110 Hz. Sounds seamless.

Subwoofers begin to get localizeable around 120 Hz. I would never go higher than that.

 

[Pogre]

ARC typically sets my LCR to 80Hz, and my surrounds and heights from 90 to 110 Hz. Sounds seamless.

Subwoofers begin to get localizeable around 120 Hz. I would never go higher than that.

Unless your subs are up front with your speakers, then it's pretty much a non issue.

 

[snakeeyes]

Ya I’m new to the bookshelves game relatively. I’m not running towers anymore. Currently, 110hz seems to be the answer for me all around In all 3 rooms. (I haven’t installed the Atmos speakers yet though). My Rythmik subs and HSU subs don’t mind the extra work.

 

[Erod]

Unless your subs are up front with your speakers, then it's pretty much a non issue.

Actually, it could be worse if they're not up front by your speakers. Once the frequency reaches a certain level, you can hear the sound coming from the subwoofer. That should never happen with subs. The sound should come from everywhere, not anywhere specifically.

Sound begins to become localized once it reaches about 120 Hz.

 

[snakeeyes]

Actually, it could be worse if they're not up front by your speakers. Once the frequency reaches a certain level, you can hear the sound coming from the subwoofer. That should never happen with subs. The sound should come from everywhere, not anywhere specifically.

Sound begins to become localized once it reaches about 120 Hz.

Yes with one sub seems to be 120hz.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Actually, it could be worse if they're not up front by your speakers. Once the frequency reaches a certain level, you can hear the sound coming from the subwoofer. That should never happen with subs. The sound should come from everywhere, not anywhere specifically.

Sound begins to become localized once it reaches about 120 Hz.

That’s what pogre was saying too...