Audyssey just for speaker distances/delay?

[Hetfield]

Some Audyssey avrs automatically turn on not only DEQ but also Dynamic Volume, so you just have to change things as needed.

Dynamic volume is off but DEQ is on and I have it at 0. I'm gonna keep experimenting but I like this so far. Sounds great, and I'm not quite as depressed as I was this morning.

 

[PENG]

Dynamic volume is off but DEQ is on and I have it at 0. I'm gonna keep experimenting but I like this so far. Sounds great, and I'm not quite as depressed as I was this morning.

Are you using a subwoofer, or two? If you are, be sure to try crossover 80 Hz, or even higher, otherwise the SM65 and SM55 may mess things up because they do have good energy down low and Audyssey is not always capable of integrating such bass capable speakers with subwoofers.

 

[Hetfield]

Are you using a subwoofer, or two? If you are, be sure to try crossover 80 Hz, or even higher, otherwise the SM65 and SM55 may mess things up because they do have good energy down low and Audyssey is not always capable of integrating such bass capable speakers with subwoofers.

Yes I have he PB1000 and it had the SM 65 LCR at large, I had to change it. It has the crossover at 60 and I left that. Sounds really fantastic now, listening to DVD-Audio and it's gorgeous, drop dead gorgeous!

 

[PENG]

Yes I have he PB1000 and it had the SM 65 LCR at large, I had to change it. It has the crossover at 60 and I left that. Sounds really fantastic now, listening to DVD-Audio and it's gorgeous, drop dead gorgeous!

Well then maybe Audyssey did nail it in integrating the PB1000 with the very bass capable SM 65, and even the SM55. In my experience, it'ss sort of a hit and miss thing and I must have plotted over a hundred FR graphs after running Audyssey that many time.. In my case I usually have to set XO to 80 or 90 Hz for the smoothest bass response even though my towers do extend down to 35 Hz. Just keep that in mind that is still something you can try down the road.

Setting the mains to large is usually not a good idea, but again if that works for you then leave it alone.

 

[Hetfield]

Excuse my language but what in the F! This entire home theater has been transformed in a matter of a few hours. Even regular cable DTV Now sounds insane. I just watched the very end of Hollowman and wow I am blown away. Here I thought I bad a huge mistake and was looking to buy a Yamaha receiver to make up for it. I'm seriously blown away.

 

[PENG]

Excuse my language but what in the F! This entire home theater has been transformed in a matter of a few hours. Even regular cable DTV Now sounds insane. I just watched the very end of Hollowman and wow I am blown away. Here I thought I bad a huge mistake and was looking to buy a Yamaha receiver to make up for it. I'm seriously blown away.

That's more like it, the X3400H really is a very nice sounding machine. If you can figure out what happened, it would benefit others who may potentially run into the same problem. Before that, have you ever tried pure direct for music? In pure direct or even just direct, Audyssey would have been disabled so that would at least tell us if the issue was Audyssey related.

Just a side bar, your SM 55 appears to be more like 4 ohm speakers based on Stereophile's measurements so if the SM 65 also behaves similarly, and if you do listen loud at like near reference level, setting crossover to 80 Hz would help to some extent as it would shift some load to the subwoofer.

https://www.stereophile.com/content/definitive-technology-studiomonitor-55-loudspeaker-measurements

Take a look of the graph and you can see how setting XO to 80 or 90 Hz could help.

 

[PENG]

I just thought of something else, to make sure the AVR is not voltage limited, leave the impedance setting to the default 8 ohm, and set Eco mode to "Off", or "Auto", but NOT "On".

 

[Hetfield]

Oh I should have mentioned I have an Parasound 5 channel external amp powering everything. I don't use the Denon amp except for Atmos 2 channels.

 

[Hetfield]

That's more like it, the X3400H really is a very nice sounding machine. If you can figure out what happened, it would benefit others who may potentially run into the same problem. Before that, have you ever tried pure direct for music? In pure direct or even just direct, Audyssey would have been disabled so that would at least tell us if the issue was Audyssey related.

Just a side bar, your SM 55 appears to be more like 4 ohm speakers based on Stereophile's measurements so if the SM 65 also behaves similarly, and if you do listen loud at like near reference level, setting crossover to 80 Hz would help to some extent as it would shift some load to the subwoofer.

https://www.stereophile.com/content/definitive-technology-studiomonitor-55-loudspeaker-measurements

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Take a look of the graph and you can see how setting XO to 80 or 90 Hz could help.

I'm gonna try 80 and 90 Hz. Can't hurt. The SM 65 do put out a crazy amount of bass for not having powered subs. I'm always surprised at how much bass I get from them.

 

[Pogre]

I'm gonna try 80 and 90 Hz. Can't hurt. The SM 65 do put out a crazy amount of bass for not having powered subs. I'm always surprised at how much bass I get from them.

Give it a try. I have towers that you almost don't need a sub with (and you really don't, except for stuff about 30 hz and down) and I have 'em set to small with an even higher crossover of 120 hz. I want to set it lower because I know my speakers can hang, but data from measurements and my own ears tell me it sounds best in my room with that crossover. I have some ideas to change that tho, involving completely relocating my subs to give the towers more room to breathe. Just waiting for things to cool down. The ac runs a lot in the summer here and I like to get it good and quiet when I'm calibrating.

 

[Hetfield]

Got all my speakers set at 80Hz now. All is good, I'm do glad I came on here today to freak out. In the end it got fixed. Thanks for ALL the help today. Any more hints my ears are open? This is my first Audyssey receiver and it's the XT32 so it's a bit more complicated than others.
Anyone ever try REW? I would never, WAY over this truck drivers head. Just curious if anyone has and how hard it is to use?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Ok after having all Yamaha receivers I saw a great deal on a Denon 3400H and short story is I do not like it. Its non Denon, I just don't like how it sounds versus what I had in Yamaha. I guess the Yamaha was more my style, warmer I think is the way to describe it.
Anyway I have Audyssey off because I HATED it. Like cutting off the system at the knees. I mean HATED it. Question is can I run Audyssey again but not go through the stupid half hour or more to do it and just rerun it for speaker level/distances/delay and all that? Audyssey takes for freaking ever. I want my YPAO back. Is there anyway to make a Denon receiver sound like a Yamaha receiver, make it more warm and lively sounding like Yamaha? Should I just bite the bullet and admit a mistake and get a Yamaha Aventage receiver? Thanks for any help.

I’ve owned mostly Denon’s ($7500 AVP-A1HDCI and $5500 AVR-5308CI). But I recently changed to Yamaha (CX-A5100/ MX-A5000).

If my AVP-A1HDCI had not prematurely croaked and I had never hated Panurgy with a passion from multiple bad experiences, I would probably still be using the Denon AVP-A1.

Without using any EQ, they sound exactly the same to me.

Bottom line, I think you can get any of these AVR/AVP to sound great with the right setup.

 

[ParisB]

My towers with built in 10" subs play down to 31hz (-3dB), but I still set them to small with 80hz crossover. Remember, crossover thru AVR is usually sloped at -12dB per octave, so it's comforting that it can cleanly play down to 40hz.

My only OCD annoying thing is my surrounds go to 90hz, but I still set them to 80hz so that everything is 80hz (including center and heights, which register at 60hz each).

My surrounds go deeper with-3dB point, but there's just enough of a null around 80 that Audyssey sees it as rolling off.

 

[PENG]

Got all my speakers set at 80Hz now. All is good, I'm do glad I came on here today to freak out. In the end it got fixed. Thanks for ALL the help today. Any more hints my ears are open? This is my first Audyssey receiver and it's the XT32 so it's a bit more complicated than others.
Anyone ever try REW? I would never, WAY over this truck drivers head. Just curious if anyone has and how hard it is to use?

The next big hint you are going to get is, go get more movies with extreme bass and dynamic sound tracks and enjoy. If you room is large enough with at least 8 ft ceiling height, upgrade to the new X3600H and go 11.1.4. You have some nice speakers, just grab some SM45 to expand is all you need.

Lastly, if you prefer more neutral sound than the SM65/55 may be offering, the $20 Audyssey Editor app would be a good investment. It is easy to use, minimum learning curve.

 

[Pogre]

Got all my speakers set at 80Hz now. All is good, I'm do glad I came on here today to freak out. In the end it got fixed. Thanks for ALL the help today. Any more hints my ears are open? This is my first Audyssey receiver and it's the XT32 so it's a bit more complicated than others.
Anyone ever try REW? I would never, WAY over this truck drivers head. Just curious if anyone has and how hard it is to use?

I have a 30 page thread here somewhere where I learned how to use rew. There's definitely a learning curve with it.

 

[highfigh]

Ok after having all Yamaha receivers I saw a great deal on a Denon 3400H and short story is I do not like it. Its non Denon, I just don't like how it sounds versus what I had in Yamaha. I guess the Yamaha was more my style, warmer I think is the way to describe it.
Anyway I have Audyssey off because I HATED it. Like cutting off the system at the knees. I mean HATED it. Question is can I run Audyssey again but not go through the stupid half hour or more to do it and just rerun it for speaker level/distances/delay and all that? Audyssey takes for freaking ever. I want my YPAO back. Is there anyway to make a Denon receiver sound like a Yamaha receiver, make it more warm and lively sounding like Yamaha? Should I just bite the bullet and admit a mistake and get a Yamaha Aventage receiver? Thanks for any help.

If you didn't do this as soon as it came out of the box, save the configuration and then, do a hard reset before updating the software- it's what the people from Denon/Marantz told us to do at their training sessions. Then, verify the polarity of the speakers, by connecting a battery at the AVR end of the wires- not accusing you of anything, I'm just trying to make it possible to KNOW the polarity, rather than assuming it's correct.

Test Audyssey in the first listening position twice, not once. Test the other positions as usual.

I have never heard a Denon that sounded bright- in fact, I used to think Yamaha sounded a bit thin before Avantage. Not sure if I prefer YPAO to Audyssey, but I have used the latter successfully many times but that doesn't mean I thought it was perfect or that I didn't tweak it a bit.

Glad to see you got it to sound better.

 

[Hetfield]

If you didn't do this as soon as it came out of the box, save the configuration and then, do a hard reset before updating the software- it's what the people from Denon/Marantz told us to do at their training sessions. Then, verify the polarity of the speakers, by connecting a battery at the AVR end of the wires- not accusing you of anything, I'm just trying to make it possible to KNOW the polarity, rather than assuming it's correct.

Test Audyssey in the first listening position twice, not once. Test the other positions as usual.

I have never heard a Denon that sounded bright- in fact, I used to think Yamaha sounded a bit thin before Avantage. Not sure if I prefer YPAO to Audyssey, but I have used the latter successfully many times but that doesn't mean I thought it was perfect or that I didn't tweak it a bit.

Glad to see you got it to sound better.

Thanks for the post. Test the listening position twice? You mean during the Audyssey set up do the listening position twice and then move on to the others?
Guys in still impressed. The bass is really kicking now. It's making my PB1000 sound like it's double the size. This is really cool.

 

[PENG]

Thanks for the post. Test the listening position twice? You mean during the Audyssey set up do the listening position twice and then move on to the others?
Guys in still impressed. The bass is really kicking now. It's making my PB1000 sound like it's double the size. This is really cool.

Better get a PB2000, the 1000 may be getting kicked too hard now.

 

[Hetfield]

Better get a PB2000, the 1000 may be getting kicked too hard now.

I'd like to ad a second PB1000 or really I'd like to replace the PB1000 with a PSA sub or HSU but leaning more toward PSA.

 

[lovinthehd]

I'd like to ad a second PB1000 or really I'd like to replace the PB1000 with a PSA sub or HSU but leaning more toward PSA.

Might try dual subs before another bigger single sub. Nothing wrong with two PB1000s depending on room size. Which PSA or HSU?