Should I get a Stereo preamp?

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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Not a double blind but when others hear an improvement in the sound and dont know what and how you have things connected at the time its a pretty good indicator that its not just me thinking i hear something different.


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Honestly and seriously there are days and times when I thought the sound I heard from the same show or music sounded noticeably better, or worse, and thought I had changed certain settings accidentally (but I didn't). I have to agree with Verdinut regarding the importance of comparison methodology, but no, I won't say what you heard was Placebo as I wasn't there for the comparison listening sessions when you and others heard such improvement.
 
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Leemix

Audioholic General
Honestly and seriously there are days and times when I thought the sound I heard from the same show or music sounded noticeably better, or worse, and thought I had changed certain settings accidentally (but I didn't). I have to agree with Verdinut regarding the importance of comparison methodology, but no, I won't say what you heard was Placebo as I wasn't there for the comparison listening sessions when you and others heard such improvement.
There are so many factors that change slightly how a system sounds but over time its easier to identify the differences. That being said the 2ch dac/pre i use with HT bypass might just have a slight voicing that i really like for all i know, but that doesnt really matter because its an improvement for me either way.


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HTfreak2004

HTfreak2004

Senior Audioholic
I like separates.

To me even the amp and the subwoofer are separates and I would never even buy a subwoofer with an amp inside of the subwoofer because I like to keep the amp separated from the subwoofer and speakers and everything else. ;):D

I always find it funny when people say they hate amps inside AVR, but then turn around and say they want amps, DSP, processors, decoders inside the speakers. :D
I think this who debate on stereo receivers vs AVR is goofy . One is a basic car and the other comes with the bells and whistles enough said:cool::cool::cool:
 
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sterling shoote

Audioholic Field Marshall
Seems stereo preamps fall short when a subwoofer is integrated into the system, precluding the user to an active sub and less than ideal bass management. I think multi-channel prepro is the way to go today even for those who have no interest in multi-channel.
 
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2channel lover

Audioholic Field Marshall
I am currently using a Parasound HCA 1500A 2 CH amp with a Denon x4200 receiver as a preamp for Home Theater and Stereo.
If I get the Parasound Zpre3 preamp will that unit be better than my Denon receiver as a preamp for Stereo?
Maybe for your dog.

Seriously, you can spend some very serious money on electronics in this trade and not reap any SQ improvment.
 
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asere

Audioholic
Maybe for your dog.

Seriously, you can spend some very serious money on electronics in this trade and not reap any SQ improvment.
I know what you mean but I'm enjoying it. I think there is more clarity with the zpre3 at any volume level compared to the x4200.


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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I know what you mean but I'm enjoying it. I think there is more clarity with the zpre3 at any volume level compared to the x4200.


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Incidentally, someone just posted that he was looking for things in father's attic to sell, then he remembered his dad has a RX-V870 (26 years old). He went on to day it sounded way better and cleaner than his X4200W. May be it's Placebo effects too, or may be some of those X4200W are broken, and obviously there could be many other reasons too lol..a funny and crazy hobby this is..
 
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asere

Audioholic
I know my Parasound HCA 1500A 2ch amp sounds much better then my x4200. By this I am referring I can listen at -10 close to reference and still sound clean vs the x4200 at those levels it sounded harsh. I guess it's because it can drive the mains better with more power.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Placebo effects
Placebo or just different setup/settings - EQ, Room Correction, DSP, trim levels, so many things.

We see people say one component sounds better or especially "blows away" something else all the time and it could be any brand over another.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I know my Parasound HCA 1500A 2ch amp sounds much better then my x4200. By this I am referring I can listen at -10 close to reference and still sound clean vs the x4200 at those levels it sounded harsh. I guess it's because it can drive the mains better with more power.
Yes, that would make more sense. As I mentioned many times, I was surprise when the X3400H that I had briefly, sounded as good as my Parasound A21 paired with my Cambridge audio preamp, but that would certainly depend on the volume position.
 
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2channel lover

Audioholic Field Marshall
I know what you mean but I'm enjoying it. I think there is more clarity with the zpre3 at any volume level compared to the x4200.


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I can believe that. I experienced some minor SQ improvement going from an old (close to 20 yrs old) Onkyo AVR to my current separates system...but we're talking about a $300 avr and monoblock/pre pro combo that cost nearly 10 times as much.

When I bought the Maranta prepro, the dealer thought I should buy a Parasound 2 ch pre amp (JC 2) for what he called the ultimate 2 ch reproduction I could get. We did some stereo testing using the Pre pro I bought connected to a 5 channel amp...a 2 channel Parasound amp (A21 maybe) and then we played the same songs back using the Parasound JC2 pre amp. Using a pair of B&W 803 D3 for playback.

To his credit, the JC2 did sound a little different than the Marantz, idk if I would say the difference were "better" but there were some subtle differences....so slight that there was no way I could justify spending $3k (model closeout price) on a 2 channel pre amp. I went ahead and bought the pre-pro from him, but got my amps online

The big key here is you're enjoying it....but I still subscribe to the theory that speakers and source are the two most important pieces to improve SQ in your system, the electronics ideally should not be adding, taking away, or otherwise colorizing the audio signal.
 
HTfreak2004

HTfreak2004

Senior Audioholic
Integrated is still integrated no matter how many tiny amps inside the chassis, or software the processor has to compute. Many more inputs and outputs cannot change the fact only the function.
 
Zildjianmeister

Zildjianmeister

Junior Audioholic
I sort of fell into the rabbit hole of wanting better sound for 2 channel and ended up getting a Parasound integrated and upgrading to Revel F206 speakers. (from infinity primus towers). An integrated was selected as my choice because, the rabbit hole again, thinking the amp in the Parasound with the toroidal power supply would be better quality and more capable than the amp in my 20 yr old Yamaha AVR or a newer higher end avr. I still utilize the AVR for 3.1 in home theater bypass mode.

It sounds better than my previous setup for music but I'm betting it's not the integrated but the speakers that really made the difference. Would like to try just my AVR or a new one for 2 channel sometime.

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JengaHit

Audioholic
For my part, I have found an improvement between 3 pre-amps I've had over 25 years, in increasing quality: an Acurus L10, a Parasound P/LD 2000, and PS Audio PCA-2. The main improvements have been in lack of distortion, which has yielded smoother, less fatiguging sound, and hence more realistic imaging and soundstaging. I've used the same recordings I know well to compare them, and the only equipment variable has been the pre-amp. Honestly, with rock/pop and heavily processed music or movies it's more difficult to hear big differences between the Parasound and PS Audio. The Acurus has been consistently brighter, with more distortion during musical climaxes or loud volumes. But for me the most revealing recordings are classical recordings of human voice, both solo and choral, solo piano, and complex orchestral recordings (Mahler). Distortion with components can really become apparent with well-recorded voices, especially opera and solo voice at full-tilt climaxes. Distortion also mares well-recorded piano. With the Acurus voices at full-tilt will distort, especially in the higher registers. Piano also sounds less natural with the Acurus. The Parasound is smoother, with much less distortion. The PS Audio is glare-free, with voices and instruments also sounding more present, realistic, and distortion-free no matter how loud. Orchestral climaxes are produced with deeper soundstages, better instrumental color, imaging, and definition. You can hear more concert-hall sound decay. But as I said, this is relatively dependent on the type of music. If I only listened to rock/pop and movies, I could be satisfied with the Parasound (which I now use for my bedroom system and as a backup for my main system)--the Acurus I've found too bright. But since I also listen to classical and opera, distortion-free and glare-free sound is paramount. It's also about diminishing returns, how much you're willing to spend for improvements that might be incremental. And about investing in equipment that will last. I've had the PS Audio for 14 yrs of trouble-free operation, and bought it refurbished from Audio Advisor at a good discount. Haven't had the upgrade urge since.
 
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killdozzer

killdozzer

Audioholic Samurai
Placebo or just different setup/settings - EQ, Room Correction, DSP, trim levels, so many things.

We see people say one component sounds better or especially "blows away" something else all the time and it could be any brand over another.
I bet if one would dig these forums deep enough, he might find opposite claims fro the same model. Which, again, is not impossible depending on all the settings.

I bought a second hand Yamaha which had some DSP settings memorized for the CD channel. My CD player sounds like sh... IMO. It only took me a minute to chnage the input channel for my CD player and now again it shines.

When you think about it, I might have blamed my AVR if I didn't know. Luckily, I found his notes written in the manual where I saw exactly what he did.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I bet if one would dig these forums deep enough, he might find opposite claims fro the same model. Which, again, is not impossible depending on all the settings.

I bought a second hand Yamaha which had some DSP settings memorized for the CD channel. My CD player sounds like sh... IMO. It only took me a minute to chnage the input channel for my CD player and now again it shines.

When you think about it, I might have blamed my AVR if I didn't know. Luckily, I found his notes written in the manual where I saw exactly what he did.
Yep. I think “optimal” setup is salient.

Most of us who have been in this hobby for a long time have owned, heard, and experienced many different components and setups. We have also read/heard a lot of subjective details about better sounds from various components and brands. It goes round and round.

At the end of the day, the best system is the one that sounds great to you.

And take all opinions with a huge grain of salt. :D
 

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