Looking for a Phono preamp that will work with a low output MC cartridge

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Seriously, I have no life.
I have been using an old integrated amp that has a decent MC stage for my Denon 103d, but it may be time to retire it and look for something different. It works, but the output is still lower than the other sources because the rated output of the cartridge is only .25mV. Having the ability to adjust impedance and capacitance wouldn't hurt but I'm not trying to break the bank.

I would like to digitize my LPs, so decent circuitry for converting to digital would be a bonus.

Thanks
 
Verdinut

Verdinut

Audioholic Spartan
I have been using an old integrated amp that has a decent MC stage for my Denon 103d, but it may be time to retire it and look for something different. It works, but the output is still lower than the other sources because the rated output of the cartridge is only .25mV. Having the ability to adjust impedance and capacitance wouldn't hurt but I'm not trying to break the bank.

I would like to digitize my LPs, so decent circuitry for converting to digital would be a bonus.

Thanks
How about the following with a 15 day return option?

https://www.schiit.com/products/mani
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
While I like my ART Phono Plus for my MM cartridge, good to know if it's also good for experimenting with an MC sometime or not, never really thought about it.
 
Verdinut

Verdinut

Audioholic Spartan
Would it break in, in such a short time? :)
Do you really believe in a breaking-in period for electronic audio equipment?

If you don't have that many LPs to digitize, you could do the transfer within the 15 day period! :D
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
Do you really believe in a breaking-in period for electronic audio equipment?

If you don't have that many LPs to digitize, you could do the transfer within the 15 day period! :D
Geez! I even used a smiley face!

I know that some components do change as their temperature increases, but how warm would this become?

I have a hard time when people refer to timing and pace when they talk about this stuff- I think they may notice something similar just because they're so excited by listening to something new, but it just doesn't affect the signal in those ways.

I don't have a huge collection, but I do work and I like to get a little sleep. I also don't like recording- never did. I was really bad when it came to writing the songs on my cassettes but that problem was cured when my car was stolen- most of my tapes were in it. Bastards! OTOH, every tape was like an adventure because I never knew what was next.

It's less a matter of wanting to digitize everything and more about playing my vinyl- that cartridge is a really nice-sounding one and because of the way some digital music was mastered, the LPs sound better. I listen to .wav files of music that I have on vinyl and very often, the digital version sounds worse in the low end and that's exactly where it should sound as good, or better. I also have remastered LPs that sound worse than the original but most of those are Japanese imports and they weren't mastered by the original people- tastes varied by region and if you listen to music from different countries, the equalization can be very different.

I wouldn't return something if I liked it because I'm a dealer for several brands and wouldn't like it if my customers did that. In the mean time, I found that Parasound has a new phono preamp that provides more gain than their older models, which may be partially due to the conversations I have had with Richard Schramm about my cartridge- they have one of the same model, but last time I called about the low level from my P5 preamp, their cantilever had bent, so they couldn't verify/deny my comments. They added about 10dB and the S/N ratio is higher, so maybe...... The new model isn't just a simple MM/MC switch, the MC input has an impedance selector range of 50 Ohms-1050 Ohms and a 50/60 dB gain selector, with a 40dB/50dB gain selector for MM. It also has balanced and unbalanced outputs, which wold add 6dB.

http://www.parasound.com/zphono_xrm.php
 
Verdinut

Verdinut

Audioholic Spartan
I have been using an old integrated amp that has a decent MC stage for my Denon 103d, but it may be time to retire it and look for something different. It works, but the output is still lower than the other sources because the rated output of the cartridge is only .25mV. Having the ability to adjust impedance and capacitance wouldn't hurt but I'm not trying to break the bank.

I would like to digitize my LPs, so decent circuitry for converting to digital would be a bonus.

Thanks
I own a Tascam US-122L USB 2.0 Audio/MIDI Inerface but this product is no longer available.

I believe ir's been replaced by the following:

https://tascam.com/us/product/us-2x2/top
 
Verdinut

Verdinut

Audioholic Spartan
Geez! I even used a smiley face!

I know that some components do change as their temperature increases, but how warm would this become?

I have a hard time when people refer to timing and pace when they talk about this stuff- I think they may notice something similar just because they're so excited by listening to something new, but it just doesn't affect the signal in those ways.

I don't have a huge collection, but I do work and I like to get a little sleep. I also don't like recording- never did. I was really bad when it came to writing the songs on my cassettes but that problem was cured when my car was stolen- most of my tapes were in it. Bastards! OTOH, every tape was like an adventure because I never knew what was next.

It's less a matter of wanting to digitize everything and more about playing my vinyl- that cartridge is a really nice-sounding one and because of the way some digital music was mastered, the LPs sound better. I listen to .wav files of music that I have on vinyl and very often, the digital version sounds worse in the low end and that's exactly where it should sound as good, or better. I also have remastered LPs that sound worse than the original but most of those are Japanese imports and they weren't mastered by the original people- tastes varied by region and if you listen to music from different countries, the equalization can be very different.

I wouldn't return something if I liked it because I'm a dealer for several brands and wouldn't like it if my customers did that. In the mean time, I found that Parasound has a new phono preamp that provides more gain than their older models, which may be partially due to the conversations I have had with Richard Schramm about my cartridge- they have one of the same model, but last time I called about the low level from my P5 preamp, their cantilever had bent, so they couldn't verify/deny my comments. They added about 10dB and the S/N ratio is higher, so maybe...... The new model isn't just a simple MM/MC switch, the MC input has an impedance selector range of 50 Ohms-1050 Ohms and a 50/60 dB gain selector, with a 40dB/50dB gain selector for MM. It also has balanced and unbalanced outputs, which wold add 6dB.

http://www.parasound.com/zphono_xrm.php
The Parasound preamp is a nice product but it doesn't sell for the same or a close price. But, it's always the returning question: Would you be able to hear a difference with the more expensive product?
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I have a 122, but I don't think it's 2.0. I have only used it for REW and noticed that it can be a bit noisy, although I never used it to record from vinyl.
Was looking over the US 2x2 Tascam unit and didn't see anything about RIAA correction....or am I misunderstanding what @Verdinut is recommending this for?
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
Was looking over the US 2x2 Tascam unit and didn't see anything about RIAA correction....or am I misunderstanding what @Verdinut is recommending this for?
It doesn't have RIAA equalization because it's a USB audio interface, not a phono preamp- as I wrote, I use an old integrated amp that has a decent phono section but send the audio to the AUX input of my Yamaha MusicCast. The problem I had last night was dirty controls- almost all of them caused the audio to distort and/or be intermittent and I don't feel like taking it apart to clean everything, especially since that would end up being a long process since it also needs speaker relays. One cool thing about it is that most of the inputs and controls are passive, which means it passes audio even if it's not powered. I had it modified to have a preamp output and found out by accident when I turned it off and the music continued when the power amp was still on.
 
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