Problem with Accueq calibration on Onkyo RZ-620

[lovinthehd]

If more people experienced similar results then perhaps AccuEQ is not as good as Audyssey XT32 or even XT.

Was AccuEQ ever considered as good? Maybe after melding MCACC components into it?

 

[AJelco]

Mains at 80hz crossover

The rest of the speakers likely can’t handle 80hz

The center maybe try 90hz

Surrounds try 90 hz or 100 hz

Why does the center have wheels?

oh that's just a chair we didn't need. Works well though. No noticeable vibrations

 

[AJelco]

It's pretty much up against the wall I'd not bother with rear surrounds like that myself (I'd want them a few feet behind). I would bring L/R speakers out into the room more. How did you choose sub location? Highly reflective room it appears, might have something to do with what AccuEQ is doing. You might be a better candidate to setup manually and skip AccuEQ altogether....do you have an spl meter?

Interesting idea the center on wheels (is it RC? ).

Thanks for the help. Yeah it is a reflective room. The echo is not that bad though as there is a lot a furniture that helps reduce the echo. I will move the fronts closer to listening position as the center is farther forward. The sub was put there because I wanted the fronts to be equal distance from the tv. I don't have an spl meter. Can I use my phone's db app (s9 plus)?

 

[lovinthehd]

Thanks for the help. Yeah it is a reflective room. The echo is not that bad though as there is a lot a furniture that helps reduce the echo. I will move the fronts closer to listening position as the center is farther forward. The sub was put there because I wanted the fronts to be equal distance from the tv. I don't have an spl meter. Can I use my phone's db app (s9 plus)?

Your phone/app may work well enough to set speaker distances up with using the avr's test tones. Sub location doesn't really depend on where your fronts are (highly room/seating dependent for a single sub). Might try this article https://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-setup/basic-subwoofer-setup. The speakers will likely simply perform better pulled out of the corners (and bass should be a bit less boomy). Carpeting/heavy drapes can help with reflections, too.

 

[AJelco]

Would it fix the boominess if I placed the sub near the corner of the room maybe next to the front right speaker?

 

[snakeeyes]

Would it fix the boominess if I placed the sub near the corner of the room maybe next to the front right speaker?

It’s good to try the sub in different spots. It may help to try it there. Worth a shot.

 

[AJelco]

After all of this my sub was still boomy, so I ended up just lowering the gain on the sub itself from 1/2 to 1/10

 

[lovinthehd]

After all of this my sub was still boomy, so I ended up just lowering the gain on the sub itself from 1/2 to 1/10

On several of my avrs I only need to set gain on the sub to 1/4 or so so that doesn't surprise me. Did you leave sub trim level in the avr at +4?

 

[AJelco]

On several of my avrs I only need to set gain on the sub to 1/4 or so so that doesn't surprise me. Did you leave sub trim level in the avr at +4?

yes I did

 

[lovinthehd]

yes I did

Probably won't matter but I'd raise the gain on the sub enough to send the sub trim level into the negative range.

 

[PENG]

After all of this my sub was still boomy, so I ended up just lowering the gain on the sub itself from 1/2 to 1/10

As suggested, trying moving the sub an inch at a time at all direction and see if you can find a better spot. After that, I would suggest you do a factory reset on the Onkyo and then run AccuEQ again. If that still won't fix it, then it may be time to sell/return if still can, and try the $599 AVR-X3400H. I gurantee you the X3400H will not disappoint you if you already like the sound quality (just not the subwoofer channel right?) of the RZ620.

Another alternative if to calibrate your subwoofer manually using a bunch of test tones and use whatever controls you have at the back of your subwoofer. On thing that may help is, before you re-run AccEQ next time, make sure the controls on the subwoofer are defeated. For example, set the phase to 0, low pass filter to maximum or disabled, basically making sure the subwoofer's own controls get out of the way and let AccEQ does it's magic (assuming it has some). Don't give up, its a lot of work but if successful in the end it is worth it.

 

[AJelco]

As suggested, trying moving the sub an inch at a time at all direction and see if you can find a better spot. After that, I would suggest you do a factory reset on the Onkyo and then run AccuEQ again. If that still won't fix it, then it may be time to sell/return if still can, and try the $599 AVR-X3400H. I gurantee you the X3400H will not disappoint you if you already like the sound quality (just not the subwoofer channel right?) of the RZ620.

Another alternative if to calibrate your subwoofer manually using a bunch of test tones and use whatever controls you have at the back of your subwoofer. On thing that may help is, before you re-run AccEQ next time, make sure the controls on the subwoofer are defeated. For example, set the phase to 0, low pass filter to maximum or disabled, basically making sure the subwoofer's own controls get out of the way and let AccEQ does it's magic (assuming it has some). Don't give up, its a lot of work but if successful in the end it is worth it.

yeah it's just the sub that sounds boomy. All other speakers sound good

 

[snakeeyes]

yeah it's just the sub that sounds boomy. All other speakers sound good

I would upgrade that sub to HSU or SVS or Rythmik.

 

[AJelco]

I would upgrade that sub to HSU or SVS or Rythmik.

I don't want to upgrade the sub. My room is only 200sq ft and the sub has plenty of bass. I just want it to sound less boomy. There's actually too much bass

 

[lovinthehd]

I don't want to upgrade the sub. My room is only 200sq ft and the sub has plenty of bass. I just want it to sound less boomy. There's actually too much bass

It may just be the quality of the sub and its effective range that gives that impression. Or maybe you just don't like much bass, hard to know over the internet. It doesn't seem AccuEQ is doing you any favors in any case and I'd explore the reset as suggested. Could be a defective mic, or even avr....

 

[nbk13nw]

I don't want to upgrade the sub. My room is only 200sq ft and the sub has plenty of bass. I just want it to sound less boomy. There's actually too much bass

You could try placing the sub nearfield... maybe beside or behind the listening position. Get more tactile feel and maybe less boomy.

 

[AJelco]

As suggested, trying moving the sub an inch at a time at all direction and see if you can find a better spot. After that, I would suggest you do a factory reset on the Onkyo and then run AccuEQ again. If that still won't fix it, then it may be time to sell/return if still can, and try the $599 AVR-X3400H. I gurantee you the X3400H will not disappoint you if you already like the sound quality (just not the subwoofer channel right?) of the RZ620.

Another alternative if to calibrate your subwoofer manually using a bunch of test tones and use whatever controls you have at the back of your subwoofer. On thing that may help is, before you re-run AccEQ next time, make sure the controls on the subwoofer are defeated. For example, set the phase to 0, low pass filter to maximum or disabled, basically making sure the subwoofer's own controls get out of the way and let AccEQ does it's magic (assuming it has some). Don't give up, its a lot of work but if successful in the end it is worth it.

Would the x2400h be good enough? It costs the same as the Onkyo if I decide to return it.

 

[PENG]

Would the x2400h be good enough? It costs the same as the Onkyo if I decide to return it.

The Onkyo is slightly more powerful than the X2400H but probably not noticeable depending on your seating distance and how loud you listen to music and movies. It has Audyssey XT, not XT32, but it should be able to do a good sub on setting up the subwoofer. If you don't find your Onkyo lacking power in any shape or form, the X2400H should work.

 

[AJelco]

The Onkyo is slightly more powerful than the X2400H but probably not noticeable depending on your seating distance and how loud you listen to music and movies. It has Audyssey XT, not XT32, but it should be able to do a good sub on setting up the subwoofer. If you don't find your Onkyo lacking power in any shape or form, the X2400H should work.

I don't find any lack of power with the Onkyo. Even my old yamaha had just enough 75 watts of power. Is there a difference between xt and xt32? Is there a noticable difference between last years '400 models and this years '500 models?

 

[PENG]

I don't find any lack of power with the Onkyo. Even my old yamaha had just enough 75 watts of power. Is there a difference between xt and xt32? Is there a noticable difference between last years '400 models and this years '500 models?

XT32 has much higher resolution for the filters, there is a comparison table in the thread linked below

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=159948

It looks like the X2400H has the power you need, so the only main consideration is XT32 and 7.1 preout. The X3400H has them so you can use external amps if needs arise in the future.

The only notable difference between the 2017 and 2018 model is the IMAX enhanced feature. I don't know if that is significant or not but you can try and ask those who have experience with it.