Problem with Accueq calibration on Onkyo RZ-620

[AJelco]

I just got my Onkyo RZ-620 but after doing the accueq calibration by putting the mic on a tripod on the couch, the subwoofer sounds way too loud and boomy. The other speakers however sound fine. I have polk monitor 60s as fronts, a 15-c as a center, r30s as surrounds, and t15s as surround backs. My subwoofer is a Klipsch r10-sw. I did some research and found klipsch speakers are historically sensitive. Could this be the reason why there is way too much bass? I also looked at the crossover frequencies and found this. Are they correct? I thought the thx standard was 80hz. If someone could help, it would be great.

 

[PENG]

I just got my Onkyo RZ-620 but after doing the accueq calibration by putting the mic on a tripod on the couch, the subwoofer sounds way too loud and boomy. The other speakers however sound fine. I have polk monitor 60s as fronts, a 15-c as a center, r30s as surrounds, and t15s as surround backs. My subwoofer is a Klipsch r10-sw. I did some research and found klipsch speakers are historically sensitive. Could this be the reason why there is way too much bass? I also looked at the crossover frequencies and found this. Are they correct? I thought the thx standard was 80hz. If someone could help, it would be great.
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Did you following instructions? The numbers look very suspicious. I suggest you repeat the process but read the instructions carefully and follow it to the letter. It would help us help you if you can share your room dimensions, mic positions such as distance to the speakers, and the levels of each channels including the subwoofer channel, set by AccuEQ.

 

[nbk13nw]

Why are you crossing the front and surrounds at 200hz?

 

[nbk13nw]

Just saw your other question. I would set the front and surround to 80hz to start. Then play from there. But as mentioned above I would first re-run the AutoEQ and see if it sorts it out. If not then set them manually for crossover and distance and see if that helps.

 

[AJelco]

Just saw your other question. I would set the front and surround to 80hz to start. Then play from there. But as mentioned above I would first re-run the AutoEQ and see if it sorts it out. If not then set them manually for crossover and distance and see if that helps.

I ran it twice but it seems to always set those numbers. I guess I'll just set the crossovers to 80hz. I tried turning the level for the subwoofer down on the receiver but it didn't help much. Then I lowered the gain on the subwoofer which seemed to help. Is it ok to lover the gain on the subwoofer?

 

[AJelco]

Did you following instructions? The numbers look very suspicious. I suggest you repeat the process but read the instructions carefully and follow it to the letter. It would help us help you if you can share your room dimensions, mic positions such as distance to the speakers, and the levels of each channels including the subwoofer channel, set by AccuEQ.

All my speakers are angled towards the listening position. The couch is a little bit forward from the back wall. Enough for the surround back speakers on stands to be behind it. The room is a 20x10 200sq ft room. It's sort of like a sunroom which I know is terrible for refections but there is a lot of furniture in the room which reduces the echo effect. Maybe adding a rug on the floor for the first reflection point will help. Whats weird is I had a yamaha rxv567 that I ran ypao on that set the sound pretty good apart from the center channel being not loud enough. The sub was just right though. Weird

 

[nbk13nw]

I tried turning the level for the subwoofer down on the receiver but it didn't help much. Then I lowered the gain on the subwoofer which seemed to help. Is it ok to lover the gain on the subwoofer?

Yes, lowering the gain on the sub is the preferred method.

 

[AJelco]

Yes, lowering the gain on the sub is the preferred method.

So what I did is set all my speakers to 80hz crossover then I lowered the gain on my subwoofer to about 1/10 of its volume which fixed the bass issue. Thanks for the help. Sounds good now. I had to lower the subwoofer from 1/2 to 1/10. Crazy

 

[PENG]

So what I did is set all my speakers to 80hz crossover then I lowered the gain on my subwoofer to about 1/10 of its volume which fixed the bass issue. Thanks for the help. Sounds good now. I had to lower the subwoofer from 1/2 to 1/10. Crazy

You can certainly make manual changes including those you have just made but I am wondering why AccuEQ will be some off. I have read some positive comments on that system, it just seems to me there is something wrong in the way you ran auto setup. Having the subwoofer volume too high is just one, something else is not right too.
Can you post the level settings (by AccuEQ) for all channels?

 

[AJelco]

You can certainly make manual changes including those you have just made but I am wondering why AccuEQ will be some off. I have read some positive comments on that system, it just seems to me there is something wrong in the way you ran auto setup. Having the subwoofer volume too high is just one, something else is not right too.
Can you post the level settings (by AccuEQ) for all channels?

My subwoofer was set on 1/2 volume just as the manual says and here are the levels accueq applied: fronts and center are 0db, surrounds are at +1db, surround back right is at -1db, surround back left is at 0db, and subwoofer was set at +4db

 

[PENG]

My subwoofer was set on 1/2 volume just as the manual says and here are the levels accueq applied: fronts and center are 0db, surrounds are at +1db, surround back right is at -1db, surround back left is at 0db, and subwoofer was set at +4db

That sound very reasonable, so now I don't know why the crossovers were set so high, almost like you blew the speaker's woofer or something wrong with their internal crossovers so AccuEQ has to boost the subwoofer up to compensate, but then if that's the case, upping the setting to 80 Hz manually won't be good, so I really don't know. It is very weird result you were getting.

 

[AJelco]

That sound very reasonable, so now I don't know why the crossovers were set so high, almost like you blew the speaker's woofer or something wrong with their internal crossovers so AccuEQ has to boost the subwoofer up to compensate, but then if that's the case, upping the setting to 80 Hz manually won't be good, so I really don't know. It is very weird result you were getting.

When I did the ypao on my old yamaha, I put the tripod in front of the couch against it. With the new receiver I put it on the couch. Could this be the reason why the crossovers were set so high? Should I put the mic in front of the couch again like the old receiver?

 

[lovinthehd]

Generally you place the measurement mic at your ear's level at your seated position. Is your couch up against a wall? Something's way off seemingly. At those crossover levels set by AccuEQ it's likely asking too much of that sub above 100hz. The level set with your gain on the sub set half way and set to a trim level of plus 4 sounds like the gain was set too low, though. Can you share your seat/speakers' positioning with pics?

 

[nbk13nw]

I own an RZ810 and it goes wacky sometimes with AccuEQ. Sets my subs up to +8 or more and some strange crossover points. Running 4 sealed 18's with two nearfield. REW shows a good sweep when I adjust manually. So I feel good about it and it sounds awesome. Running KEF Q900's for the mains, Q650 center and 4 Q100's for surrounds along with RSL G34E's for atmos. Only running 5.4.2 right now until I pick up a new AVR in the next month or so.

I use a mic stand with both the mic for REW and for the Onkyo mic as well.

 

[AJelco]

Generally you place the measurement mic at your ear's level at your seated position. Is your couch up against a wall? Something's way off seemingly. At those crossover levels set by AccuEQ it's likely asking too much of that sub above 100hz. The level set with your gain on the sub set half way and set to a trim level of plus 4 sounds like the gain was set too low, though. Can you share your seat/speakers' positioning with pics?

The couch is not up against the wall but it is close. There is enough space behind it for the surround speakers to fit. Here are some pictures(sorry if it's cluttered)

 

[PENG]

I own an RZ810 and it goes wacky sometimes with AccuEQ. Sets my subs up to +8 or more and some strange crossover points. Running 4 sealed 18's with two nearfield. REW shows a good sweep when I adjust manually. So I feel good about it and it sounds awesome. Running KEF Q900's for the mains, Q650 center and 4 Q100's for surrounds along with RSL G34E's for atmos. Only running 5.4.2 right now until I pick up a new AVR in the next month or so.

I use a mic stand with both the mic for REW and for the Onkyo mic as well.

If more people experienced similar results then perhaps AccuEQ is not as good as Audyssey XT32 or even XT.

 

[snakeeyes]

The couch is not up against the wall but it is close. There is enough space behind it for the surround speakers to fit. Here are some pictures(sorry if it's cluttered) View attachment 27608View attachment 27609View attachment 27611View attachment 27610

Mains at 80hz crossover

The rest of the speakers likely can’t handle 80hz

The center maybe try 90hz

Surrounds try 90 hz or 100 hz

Why does the center have wheels?

 

[nbk13nw]

Why does the center have wheels?

That is for when watching a movie and the speaking characters walks around. Lol

 

[nbk13nw]

If more people experienced similar results then perhaps AccuEQ is not as good as Audyssey XT32 or even XT.

Funny, when running my Paradigm set up I never saw it go bonkers. But with the KEF's and 4 subs it is about a 50 / 50 shot.

 

[lovinthehd]

The couch is not up against the wall but it is close. There is enough space behind it for the surround speakers to fit. Here are some pictures(sorry if it's cluttered) View attachment 27608View attachment 27609View attachment 27611View attachment 27610

It's pretty much up against the wall I'd not bother with rear surrounds like that myself (I'd want them a few feet behind). I would bring L/R speakers out into the room more. How did you choose sub location? Highly reflective room it appears, might have something to do with what AccuEQ is doing. You might be a better candidate to setup manually and skip AccuEQ altogether....do you have an spl meter?

Interesting idea the center on wheels (is it RC? ).