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[PENG]

I have Yamaha RX-A2060 and want to run 5.1.4 and that AVR has no preouts for the ceiling speakers. Was thinking Monolith 3 maybe for front 3 and let AVR power rears (sides) and the 4 ceilings. Or do a 5 ch amp for powering all 5 base layer channels. What do you think?

That's why I said if you have the Denon AVR-X7200WA, then you can just get a Monolith3, because you assign the internal amps to whatever you want. As far as I know, only the Denon flag ship AVR-X7200WA and AVR-X8500H (moot point because it has enough internal amps anyway) have this features. If you have the lower models, you cannot re-assign the 5 main channel internal amps, so if you connect a monolith to those lower model AVRs or even flag ship Yamaha to the 3 main channel pre-outs, you will not be able to run 7.1.4.

The AVR-X7200WA is really the best deal right now for that reason, as well as the strongest power supply for only 9 channel internal amp, flag ship AKM DAC, pre-amp mode, among others..

 

[snakeeyes]

Yamaha AX-596 that I replaced with the Outlaw 2200's has no audible hiss at point blank range, IF the CD-Direct and/or Pure-Direct are engaged. With those disengaged and the tone controls active, a little hiss was audible at point blank range, but inaudible more than a few inches away from the tweeter.

I think 3 of the 2200’s would even be a little cheaper than the Monolith 3.

 

[Verdinut]

I think 3 of the 2200’s would even be a little cheaper than the Monolith 3.

And easier to move! And you might not have to wait to get them!

 

[Danzilla31]

I think 3 of the 2200’s would even be a little cheaper than the Monolith 3.

Those 2200's really seem like a cool deal easy to store replace if one goes out just a heck of a lottof of plugs! Lol.

 

[Danzilla31]

And easier to move! And you might not have to wait to get them!

I know right? Seems like Monoprice is always got a wait list on those things

 

[Danzilla31]

That's why I said if you have the Denon AVR-X7200WA, then you can just get a Monolith3, because you assign the internal amps to whatever you want. As far as I know, only the Denon flag ship AVR-X7200WA and AVR-X8500H (moot point because it has enough internal amps anyway) have this features. If you have the lower models, you cannot re-assign the 5 main channel internal amps, so if you connect a monolith to those lower model AVRs or even flag ship Yamaha to the 3 main channel pre-outs, you will not be able to run 7.1.4.

The AVR-X7200WA is really the best deal right now for that reason, as well as the strongest power supply for only 9 channel internal amp, flag ship AKM DAC, pre-amp mode, among others..

Hey Peng forgive me if I'm not getting the model # right but what about the Denon X6400? Did I get that right? last year's 11.2 channel from Denon? I've noticed it's price has jumped down a lot recently are it's channels reaasignable? Thats the one I'm contemplating going with sometime next year. I'd use a power amp for the main 3 or if I go all towers a 7 channel power amp and just let the reciever drive the rest

 

[snakeeyes]

Those 2200's really seem like a cool deal easy to store replace if one goes out just a heck of a lottof of plugs! Lol.

Ya 3 of them wouldn’t be bad. 5 gets to be a lot of wires.

 

[PENG]

Hey Peng forgive me if I'm not getting the model # right but what about the Denon X6400? Did I get that right? last year's 11.2 channel from Denon? I've noticed it's price has jumped down a lot recently are it's channels reaasignable? Thats the one I'm contemplating going with sometime next year. I'd use a power amp for the main 3 or if I go all towers a 7 channel power amp and just let the reciever drive the rest

The x7200wa and x8500h allow you to assign the internal amps to any channel, so if you add a 3 channel amp to the x7200wa you will have a total of 9+3 = 12 amps that are assignable so nothing goes to waste.

The x6400h has 11 internal amp channels, but the the front left, right, center, surround left, right are NOT assignable so if you add a 3 channel amp to the additional front left, right and center, those 3 internal amps cannot be reassigned and will be wasted. If you only need 11 channels you are fine with the x6400h or the Marantz SR8012 but not the SR7012 or 7013 that has only 9 internal amps, so you need to add a 5 channel amp to do 7.1.4 if you want to use 3 of the 5 external amp channel for the front left right and center using the pre-outs.

I know it is confusing but I hope it is clear enough for you.

 

[Danzilla31]

The x7200wa and x8500h allow you to assign the internal amps to any channel, so if you add a 3 channel amp to the x7200wa you will have a total of 9+3 = 12 amps that are assignable so nothing goes to waste.

The x6400h has 11 internal amp channels, but the the front left, right, center, surround left, right are NOT assignable so if you add a 3 channel amp to the additional front left, right and center, those 3 internal amps cannot be reassigned and will be wasted. If you only need 11 channels you are fine with the x6400h or the Marantz SR8012 but not the SR7012 or 7013 that has only 9 internal amps, so you need to add a 5 channel amp to do 7.1.4 if you want to use 3 of the 5 external amp channel for the front left right and center using the pre-outs.

I know it is confusing but I hope it is clear enough for you.

Hah hah I think I get it let me run this by you so the x6400h does not have assignable channels so if I use a 3 channel amplifier then those 3 channels cannot be reassigned. But since it has 11 channels or internal amps I mean I'll still be good because I'll have 8 channels left to handle the surrounds and heights. It even sounds like if I go all towers that I'll still be good with a 7 channel amp because the last 4 channels I can use for heights anyway. I think that's what I'm reading into it please let me know if I got that wrong

 

[PENG]

Hah hah I think I get it let me run this by you so the x6400h does not have assignable channels so if I use a 3 channel amplifier then those 3 channels cannot be reassigned. But since it has 11 channels or internal amps I mean I'll still be good because I'll have 8 channels left to handle the surrounds and heights. It even sounds like if I go all towers that I'll still be good with a 7 channel amp because the last 4 channels I can use for heights anyway. I think that's what I'm reading into it please let me know if I got that wrong

You got it exactly right! The X7200WA can be had now for $100 less than the X6400H, so I am curious to know why you would opt for the X6400H, both are outdated on paper, but if bought new, presumable the warranty would be the same. Both are fantastic deals if you can get it at those clearance prices. Even the X6400H is flag ship class, it fits between the SR7012 and the latest flag ship SR8012, but much closer to the 8012.

 

[Danzilla31]

You got it exactly right! The X7200WA can be had now for $100 less than the X6400H, so I am curious to know why you would opt for the X6400H, both are outdated on paper, but if bought new, presumable the warranty would be the same. Both are fantastic deals if you can get it at those clearance prices. Even the X6400H is flag ship class, it fits between the SR7012 and the latest flag ship SR8012, but much closer to the 8012.

The 6400 is 11.2 the previous owners already have ceiling speakers installed and they're pretty much aligned just right so I need the 11 channels so I can do a 7.2.4 setup down the road and I don't think I can do that with the 7200 if I'm understanding you correctly also the 6400 was the flagship last year so for the price it's at that's really hard to not be interested

 

[Danzilla31]

The 6400 is 11.2 the previous owners already have ceiling speakers installed and they're pretty much aligned just right so I need the 11 channels so I can do a 7.2.4 setup down the road and I don't think I can do that with the 7200 if I'm understanding you correctly also the 6400 was the flagship last year so for the price it's at that's really hard to not be interested

Actually snap I misread your earlier post you can do that with the 7200 man I can't believe I misread that man I would actually now that I'm understanding you right be more interested in the 7200 with an internal 9 channel amp it'll have a lot more juice left over for the remaining speakers and it's a 100 less then the 6400. Man I'm glad I jumped into this post I would've completely missed that!

 

[Danzilla31]

You got it exactly right! The X7200WA can be had now for $100 less than the X6400H, so I am curious to know why you would opt for the X6400H, both are outdated on paper, but if bought new, presumable the warranty would be the same. Both are fantastic deals if you can get it at those clearance prices. Even the X6400H is flag ship class, it fits between the SR7012 and the latest flag ship SR8012, but much closer to the 8012.

Also I'm also thinking of just going with a marantz 7704 or 7703 and really going all seperates but I'm not sure if going with them Id be missing much from running the Denon with power amps plus when you factor all the power amps Id have to get to fully run 7.2.4 I don't know if I'm gaining that much with separates to want the extra cost. Think I'd rather just use the Denon and only buy a power amp for just the channels I'd need. Heck the guys at SVS when they were helping setting up the subs were telling me they do that same thing for there home systems just get a reciever and use it as a prepro

 

[PENG]

Actually snap I misread your earlier post you can do that with the 7200 man I can't believe I misread that man I would actually now that I'm understanding you right be more interested in the 7200 with an internal 9 channel amp it'll have a lot more juice left over for the remaining speakers and it's a 100 less then the 6400. Man I'm glad I jumped into this post I would've completely missed that!

Yes, below is a snapshot of what the manual says:

You don't get this custom amp assign option for the non flagship Denon and any Marantz models.. If I understood correctly, that means if you connect a 5 channel amp to the 5 main channel pre outs, you should be able to re-assign those same unused channels to whatever other channels you want, instead of wasting it so 9+3 does = 12, or 9+5 = 14 whereas something like the X4400H, SR7012, will end up with 9+3 = 9 or 9+5 = 11 because of the restrictions.

Before you pull the trigger though, you should contact D&M to make sure it does work the way I interpret it. I also posted the question on the AVS owner's thread. D&M's first line customer support are not always reliable or accurate in providing answers to such questions. Other than that, the X7200WA is sort of "higher end" than even the Marantz AV7700 series prepro as it quite similar in specs to the AV8802A minus the balanced I/Os.

Another thing you need to know is that it cannot use the Audyssey Editor App, but it can use the pro kit and you may be able to buy the Pro kit for cheap now that the $20 app can basically do the same.

 

[PENG]

Also I'm also thinking of just going with a marantz 7704 or 7703 and really going all seperates but I'm not sure if going with them Id be missing much from running the Denon with power amps plus when you factor all the power amps Id have to get to fully run 7.2.4 I don't know if I'm gaining that much with separates to want the extra cost. Think I'd rather just use the Denon and only buy a power amp for just the channels I'd need. Heck the guys at SVS when they were helping setting up the subs were telling me they do that same thing for there home systems just get a reciever and use it as a prepro

You might have read that I recently replaced my AV8801 with a X4400H, and demoted the AV8801 to one of my two channel system. Do I need to say anything else..

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

I guess hiss with receivers or separates is inescapable.

It's just that I'm so spoiled by my O2 headphone amplifiers. Talk about a total black background. I don't even know they're on.

 

[Verdinut]

I guess hiss with receivers or separates is inescapable.

It's just that I'm so spoiled by my O2 headphone amplifiers. Talk about a total black background. I don't even know they're on.

Wait 30 years and you will no longer be bothered by any hiss!

 

[Danzilla31]

You might have read that I recently replaced my AV8801 with a X4400H, and demoted the AV8801 to one of my two channel system. Do I need to say anything else..

Ahhhhhhh I'm reading you loud and clear my friend! Thanks for the info!

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

Wait 30 years and you will no longer be bothered by any hiss!

I don't think I'll have to wait that long.

 

[PENG]

I guess hiss with receivers or separates is inescapable.

It's just that I'm so spoiled by my O2 headphone amplifiers. Talk about a total black background. I don't even know they're on.

The key is low gain, what's the gain of that amp?
Other than that it's your background noise and how sensitive are you to the freq range contribute to the common hiss and hum.