Are we being conspired against?

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Drunkpenguin

Audioholic Chief
I've been wondering if maybe VR is the future tho. I recently got a tasted of it with one of those cardboard things and the first thought I had was "this might make my theater obsolete". It's all got a way to go yet, but the possibilities of VR feature films sounds pretty interesting to me.
 
Montucky

Montucky

Full Audioholic
Yeah, that $2200 Sony ES 5000 AVR looks to be a fine piece without all that streaming apps or room correction.

Too bad Sony no longer makes a Pre-pro.
No kidding. Thankfully it has all the pre-outs I've needed. That said, it actually has excellent power on-board. Good enough for most average builds, that's for sure as I've never found it to be lacking in that department.
 
Montucky

Montucky

Full Audioholic
Well the Sony does have DCAC EX! Altho that may not be saying much. Maybe they finally got DCAC to work better? What do you think @Montucky ?
Sony's DCAC is ok, but it's no Dirac. I would typically run it, and then verify everything with an SPL meter. I'd say it's not the best, but it's no worse than YPAO. Then again, with EVERY room auto-calibration software I've ever used, I've always found myself having to make some tweeks, so I'm not overly reliant on it. That all said, the Sony's EXCELLENT GUI really lets you tweak darn near anything imaginable to the Nth degree.

Killer feature: It has a PING button on the front that displays the IP address on the unit. Go to that on your computer and customize away! It's browser interface and OSD GUI utterly destroys any of the competition and is the only one I've seen that looks like it's from this century. Haha.
 

TechHDS

Audioholic General
This statement is probably more accurate then we 2018 people can imagine right now. I built my theater about 12 years ago, but have been in the hobby for 20 probably. 20 years ago when home theater sound really started to hit us middle class people 5.1 was all the rage. Nobody talked about more than one subwoofer. What would be the point of that? More than 2 surrounds? Who needs that? By the time I built my theater 7.1 was kinda sorta taking off for some people that were more extreme, but most people still had 5 speakers and a sub. I had 7 and a sub and it seemed like a lot. Naively I thought I had plateaued in my theater.

Fast forward to today and I see 13.2 AVRS! Who would have ever predicted atmos? So whats next? Floor speakers? Maybe followed by robotic speakers that fly around the room delivering sound inside the halogram? Maybe future drywall will be built with thousands of speakers inside every piece so the sound can follow you as you get up to get another bucket of popcorn.

I don't think anyone can predict where this hobby will be in another 20 years.
Lolo, good post! Feel the same way. I had back in umm 92 if i remember right but I’ve slept since then a SonyES AVR my first AVR cause before that had all separates. It had only one out for the rear speaker. And there wasn’t any movies with surround that I can remember I had only bought it for the preamp outs because I wanted to patch my Carver amp to it, Dam thing cost my 900 back than. @Good4it, your Thread has turned into a good one my friend! How are you likeing that flagship ya got? Bet it’s nice!

Mike
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
I actually wish AVR makers would stop including all this extra shiny marketing crap and just sell me a quality AVR. I like keeping my sources separate. Let my FireTV deal with all the apps, it's what its designed for. I just want my AVR switching inputs and amplifying whatever signal gets sent to it.
You are right about that.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
There are lots of choices in terms of AVRs and processors. You don't have to purchase one that makes streaming a hassle. In fact, you don't have to purchase one that deals with streaming at all. I don't really understand this complaint. I would only ever do streaming through an HTPC.
That is exactly why I recommend HTPCs, and computers to be part of the modern AV landscape. The only APP I use is Netflix so I get Dolby Digital 5.1. I refuse to buy a Firestick so use Dolby PL 2x for Amazon.
An HTPC allows you to stream content there is no dedicated APP or device for and that's a lot.
 
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Drunkpenguin

Audioholic Chief
I ran a HTPC for years but eventually grew tired of it. I don't know if it was getting older or the fact that I work in tech for a living but I just got sick of the hassle. Ripping, storing, updataing, bla. Anymore, streaming or popping in a disc is about as much work as I wanna put into my entertainment.
 

TechHDS

Audioholic General
I ran a HTPC for years but eventually grew tired of it. I don't know if it was getting older or the fact that I work in tech for a living but I just got sick of the hassle. Ripping, storing, updataing, bla. Anymore, streaming or popping in a disc is about as much work as I wanna put into my entertainment.
Man ever since “Phil” ;) turned me on to the WebRadio all I been doing is streaming night and day 24 seven done got me lazy!! Sure hope I snap out of that soon!

Mike
 
Montucky

Montucky

Full Audioholic
I ran a HTPC for years but eventually grew tired of it. I don't know if it was getting older or the fact that I work in tech for a living but I just got sick of the hassle. Ripping, storing, updataing, bla. Anymore, streaming or popping in a disc is about as much work as I wanna put into my entertainment.
Kaleidescape, baby! My HTPC's been gathering dust since I started using that. I know it ain't cheap but it is sssssoooooooooo worth it for people like me. I used to love backing up my DVDs and BDs in my pre-kid days, but now that ripping has become increasingly difficult (I won't even bother attempting 4K rips), and I have a complete lack of time for tinkering like that anymore, Kscape has been a GODSEND. I still have piles of hard drives with a boatload of my movies I'll keep around for the obscure stuff, but overall K's had me mostly covered, even if I've ended up double-dipping a ton. Thank goodness for UV codes, though since they typically import. Also nice that it's easy enough, my 2-year old can use it thanks to the special kiddy remote. I am shocked that no other set top box has done anything quite like this:
https://www.kaleidescape.com/kaleidescape-child-user-interface/
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I've been using HTPC (Windows OS, KODI) for a long time now. Absolutely love them.

Of course, everyone in my family (wife and 2 daughters) use HTPC on a daily basis too.

I have a HTPC in almost every room. :D
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
The only app I use for HT is the Yamaha AV Controller remote app, which works flawlessly 100% of the time, unlike the Denon AV Remote app which works 50% of the time (the other 50% of the time, the app hangs in searching for my Denon).
 
Montucky

Montucky

Full Audioholic
The only app I use for HT is the Yamaha AV Controller remote app, which works flawlessly 100% of the time, unlike the Denon AV Remote app which works 50% of the time (the other 50% of the time, the app hangs in searching for my Denon).
Yeah, I have to admit. Yamaha had a bit of a slow start when it came to the MusicCast and AV Controller apps, but they've really upped their game over the last couple of years. I really like the Controller app now. A surprisingly powerful little tool! It's been very reliable for me whenever I do choose to use it occasionally.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Yeah, I have to admit. Yamaha had a bit of a slow start when it came to the MusicCast and AV Controller apps, but they've really upped their game over the last couple of years. I really like the Controller app now. A surprisingly powerful little tool! It's been very reliable for me whenever I do choose to use it occasionally.
Prior to using the Yamaha AV Controller app, I was using the Denon AV Remote app the past 8 years on both my Android phone and iPad. The Denon App on my iPad worked about 50% of the time. Forget about the Android Denon App because it worked about 10% of the time. :eek:

Then I used the Yamaha AV Controller app on both my Android and iPad (same exact ones) and it worked 100% of the time on both my iPad and Samsung Note3 phone. I was really surprised because I thought AV Remote apps were supposed to only work 50% of the time on iPads and 10% of the time on Android phones. :D

Most of the AVRs in my house are still Denon and even today the Denon AV Remote app sucks - keeps on searching for the Denon AVR. :mad:

So is this a matter of programming by programmers or the AVR's themselves?

Are the Yamaha Remote Control app programmers just smarter?

And is this Pandora Internet Radio streaming app problem that Roger has been having related to programming or the Pandora service or both?
 
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sterling shoote

Audioholic Field Marshall
Yeah, that $2200 Sony ES 5000 AVR looks to be a fine piece without all that streaming apps or room correction.

Too bad Sony no longer makes a Pre-pro.
I bought their last effort, TA-E9000es and paired it with the supplemental TA-P9000es to accommodate multi-channel analog input. I wish for an updated version but now having waited for almost 20 years my hope is vanishing. At any rate, I'm still quite happy with 5.1 with my primary objective being the playback of multi-channel SACD. I did add-on an Apple Express to the TA-E9000es to enjoy iTunes wirelessly. It's an awesome convenience; plus, it allows me to use my iPhone and iPad for playback of my iTunes Library, as well as for a remote control function when the source component is my iTunes Music Player from laptop.
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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I bought their last effort, TA-E9000es and paired it with the supplemental TA-P9000es to accommodate multi-channel analog input. I wish for an updated version but now having waited for almost 20 years my hope is vanishing. At any rate, I'm still quite happy with 5.1 with my primary objective being the playback of multi-channel SACD. I did add-on an Apple Express to the TA-E9000es to enjoy iTunes wirelessly. It's an awesome convenience; plus, it allows me to use my iPhone and iPad for playback of my iTunes Library, as well as for a remote control function when the source component is my iTunes Music Player from laptop.
It’s obvious Sony only cares about the mass market consumers when they abandoned the niche separates AVP + Amp market.

Maybe that’s why many audiophiles don’t talk much about Sony.

Shoot, you can’t be taken seriously by audiophiles if you don’t even make pre-pros and amps. :D
 
eljr

eljr

Audioholic General
I am paying money every month to rent music
I was taught back in the mid 70's that it is best to lease/rent what depreciates and buy what appreciates.

Hence, financially you are way ahead of the game streaming.

That said, my personal preference is to buy not stream. I love having a collection even though I just rip and shelve them.
 
Good4it

Good4it

Audioholic Chief
“And is this Pandora Internet Radio streaming app problem that Roger has been having related to programming or the Pandora service or both?”


Seems to have the same issue on both pandora and amazon music unlimited. Only does it when it’s in 9 channel mode.
 
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Johnny2Bad

Johnny2Bad

Audioholic Chief
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I actually wish AVR makers would stop including all this extra shiny marketing crap and just sell me a quality AVR. I like keeping my sources separate. Let my FireTV deal with all the apps, it's what its designed for. I just want my AVR switching inputs and amplifying whatever signal gets sent to it.
I get it that you want a "functional high quality" AVR. The problem is they don't sell, or at least don't sell well. Even reviews in an "audiophile" site like this contain "cons" when an AVR leaves out this feature or that (eg, Anthem AVRs).

These devices are complex, and jargon filled feature lists don't help. Again, even on a site like this many posts from knowledgable entusiasts are about some feature and how to properly use it, sometimes it's about a feature that doesn't seem to work, at least in a way the user can figure out.

Now imagine the average consumer who are not audio hobbyists when faced with a purchasing decision. The don't understand the feature list (who really does?) and as always, fear sells. The fear is that some important but poorly understood feature will be left out, and they will have bought an inferior product.

So they load up the machines with "bells and whistles", as it used to be called by sales staff, privately, and that's what goes out the door faster and more often. These manufacturers are in it to make money, and sales numbers can get you fired or put a bonus in your paycheck, from the reps right down to the floor staff.

Occasionally you might see one or three products available that meet your criteria, but they will be up against a swarm of "latest this" and "everything that" products, and those are the ones that sell. Fear works ... it's the oldest and most reliable means to advertise a product (whether it's cold meds, or cleaning supplies, or HiFi) and that's the sum of it, basically.
 
Auditor55

Auditor55

Audioholic General
It's smartphone culture trickling out into other categories. Cram more and more "features" into a single device and plan for 2 year obsolescence.

I'm more than happy with my 5.1 living room setup, and I suspect the "new new" will be 25.8 Atmos by the time I get another receiver. :rolleyes:
Dolby Atmos is basically impractical for most. I'm starting to think Dolby Atmos might be spawned from hell. I'm still thinking about that though, I haven't decided if it is, so don't attack yet:)
 
Auditor55

Auditor55

Audioholic General
That is exactly why I recommend HTPCs, and computers to be part of the modern AV landscape. The only APP I use is Netflix so I get Dolby Digital 5.1. I refuse to buy a Firestick so use Dolby PL 2x for Amazon.
An HTPC allows you to stream content there is no dedicated APP or device for and that's a lot.
Why do you believe you can't get DD 5.1 from Firestick? I have a Firestick and watch movies in 5.1 all the time.
 

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