Crown XLS 1502 amp Impression

[Swerd]

However, I still think that for those of us with real-world resources, blinded audio testing is still a waste of my time, and I hate it.

I don't hate it when someone at least tries blind testing. I do hate it when they make broad conclusions with inadequate data.

Comparing properly functioning solid state amplifiers, I have never been able to definitely hear differences even in sighted testing while switching back forth…

It would be like listening to different brands of paint dry.

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

"However, I still think that for those of us with real-world resources, blinded audio testing is still a waste of my time, and I hate it. "

Even though we don't all perform scientific testing, we can still learn from the results and reap the benefits

"Comparing properly functioning solid state amplifiers, I have never been able to definitely hear differences even in sighted testing while switching back forth, unless the amps were somehow stressed beyond their design limits."

That says a lot right there sighted or blind.

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

Yes, you are .............

Okay, I'll change it, severe denial. But then it's hard to penetrate a brick wall with an evangelical, fundamentalist, born-again audiophile. What? You spent $2000 on your speaker cables? $11,000 on your turntable? Well, Praise the Subjective Lord! I rest my case.

 

[jinjuku]

I've never tried

Hahaha. Oh dear lordy.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

So you are keeping the Crown amp? how's about an ole switch-a-roo? . Hey bet you never heard of that one before.. You get a almost pristine 5 channel amp that weighs as much as a boat anchor, not the anchors that we use on the P row boats down here in the bayou that would sink the P row.

I think I am keeping this Crown amp since it was only $300. You never know when you need an extra amp, right?

Kind of like you keeping that EMO amp in the closet.

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

Mr. Robinson is on the payroll at Stereophile Magazine. That says a lot right there.

 

[Swerd]

Mr. Robinson is on the payroll at Stereophile Magazine. That says a lot right there.

Those can be thought of as fighting words. Do you know any facts that could back that up?

If you meant it as a joke, you made no effort to identify it as such.

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

Those can be thought of as fighting words. Do you know any facts that could back that up?

If you meant it as a joke, you made no effort to identify it as such.

You haven't seen or read his audio component reviews? He reviews equipment for free? Not fighting words, just facts, that's all. That magazine is very controversial.

 

[Swerd]

You haven't read his reviews?

No, I don't read them. Example?

 

[PENG]

Dead wrong. My issues with comparison testing for audio equipment is that I've never seen them produce statistically relevant results even when there are substantial differences in the measured outputs. Humans are terrible at audio comparison testing; the participants are always guessing, except in the grossest comparisons. As for me finding science worthless and annoying, that's stupid.

I don't know how you define substantial. I would consider 0.005% vs 0.02% THD is substantial, so is 0.05% vs 0.01% THD. Assuming proper protocols are followed and sample size is not the issue, in a single blind test you are going to get statistical relevant results as participants would likely resort to guessing because there isn't much audible differences to begin with, if any.

All else being equal, if you compare your Salon 2 to any of my speakers, you won't be guessing for sure.

 

[Irvrobinson]

Hahaha. Oh dear lordy.

I never tried what? I can't find the quote.

 

[PENG]

Mr. Robinson is on the payroll at Stereophile Magazine. That says a lot right there.

There is a Kal Rubinson who does reviews for Stereophile, don't recall reading any reviews there by IrvRobinson.

 

[Irvrobinson]

Mr. Robinson is on the payroll at Stereophile Magazine. That says a lot right there.

Do you mean me? Seriously?

 

[Mikado463]

Do you mean me? Seriously?

Irv, 'Out of Phase' is so far 'out of touch' I don't think there's much hope ........

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

I meant Kal Rubinson. It's easy to confuse the names. They're close.

My apologies to you Irv.

 

[lovinthehd]

Mr. Robinson is on the payroll at Stereophile Magazine. That says a lot right there.

Where'd that dumb button go?

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

Irv, 'Out of Phase' is so far 'out of touch' I don't think there's much hope ........

Oh, go listen to your $11000 turntable with all the cracks and pops in the background, okay? I apologized to Mr. Robinson.

 

[TechHDS]

What are we learning here? Does low end gear perform well? Will low end gear give you the same end results? That all depends on your resources or which way you want to go with audio reproduction. I once had this little amp, wasn't much about 50 X 2 @8 Ohms it was a Craig power amp for car. One day I decided to use it on some home audio speakers bookshelfs nothing special. Went and got a 120V converter to 12v DC. Was very impressed with the sound quality of the little car amp. If I remember right I blew that amp cause at the time I was young, it stayed on 24/7 most of the time you couldn't walk into the room LOUDLY! .amp got to hot opened it up a Cap blew and one trans at the rail was almost melted in the middle of it. Point of this post is low and gear can achieve decent sound quality even good when matched with the right speaker's and gear. High and gear same thing. Matching the wrong gear to the wrong speaker's is a losing battle that can be very expensive.

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

Where'd that dumb button go?

I took care of it, okay?

 

[panteragstk]

Where'd that dumb button go?

Hover over the like button, still there...

Not sure if @Out-Of-Phase hit his head or something. I had thought he was a reasonable guy till these last few posts. I'm sure he'll be OK after a nap or something.