How does AVRX4400H compare to Yamaha RX A1070

[Good4it]

What is your opinion?

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

Go to an online seller such as crutchfield and compare.

 

[Good4it]

Wrong forum, SORRY!

 

[speakerman39]

Here you go:


https://www.crutchfield.com/Product/CompareTo.aspx?g=10420&compareItems=01|033AVX4400&compareItems=01|022RXA1070



Cheers,

Phil

 

[Good4it]

Thanks Phil. You are my go to shopper

 

[speakerman39]

Thanks Phil. You are my go to shopper

I think at this level it is merely going to come down to the Audyssey XT32 W/Sub EQ HT vs YPAO w/RSC. Both will do a very good job, but to me Audyssey always sounds better. So, other than the specific features you are needing it will come down to the the Audyssey/YPAO differences. Personally, I could live with either one. Although, Yamaha is known for their top-notch reliability.


Cheers,

Phil

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Yamaha A2000 series:

Yamaha 2070:
191W x 2Ch 8 ohms
259W x 2Ch 4 ohms
118W x 5Ch 8 ohms
45W x 7Ch 8 ohms

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/yamaha-aventage-rx-a2070-av-receiver-review-test-bench

Yamaha RX-A1020:

129W x 2Ch 8 ohms
173W x 2Ch 4 ohms
73W x 5Ch 8 ohms
65W x 7Ch 8 ohms

https://www.soundandvision.com/cont...receiver-ht-labs-measures#LxgToCXJuoEvfp5C.99

Denon X4200:
149W x 2Ch 8 ohms
239W x 2Ch 4 ohms
118W x 5Ch 8 ohms
91W x 7Ch 8 ohms

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/denon-avr-x4200w-av-receiver-review-test-bench

The Denon X4000s has more power than the Yamaha A1000s.

As mentioned, in Direct mode, they will sound extremely similar.

Also as mentioned, the salient difference will be the EQ.

The Denon X4000 series has the same Audyssey XT32 as found in the $7,500 Denon AVP-A1HDCI and $7,000 McIntosh MX122 Pre-pros.

https://www.listenup.com/shop/mcintosh-mx122.html

Yamaha has their own EQ software.

Personally, the salient difference to me is the Audyssey Dynamic EQ (DEQ), which primarily boosts the mid-bass and slightly boost the treble to create what I think is a more Dynamic and Lively larger-than-life Sound.

 

[Andrein]

I couldn’t find any S&V measurements for the Yamaha A1000 series, but found a A2000 series and Denon X4000 series.

Yamaha 2070:
191W x 2Ch 8 ohms
259W x 2Ch 4 ohms
118W x 5Ch 8 ohms
45W x 7Ch 8 ohms

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/yamaha-aventage-rx-a2070-av-receiver-review-test-bench

Denon X4200:
149W x 2Ch 8 ohms
239W x 2Ch 4 ohms
118W x 5Ch 8 ohms
91W x 7Ch 8 ohms

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/denon-avr-x4200w-av-receiver-review-test-bench

The Yamaha A2000 series has a little more power than the X4000 series for 2Ch, but the same power for 5Ch and a only half the power for 7Ch.

As mentioned, in Direct mode, they will sound extremely similar.

Also as mentioned, the salient difference will be the EQ.

The Denon X4000 series has the same Audyssey XT32 as found in the $7,500 Denon AVP-A1HDCI and $7,000 McIntosh MX122 Pre-pros.


https://www.listenup.com/shop/mcintosh-mx122.html


Yamaha has their own EQ software.

Personally, the salient difference to me is the Audyssey Dynamic EQ (DEQ), which primarily boosts the mid-bass and slightly boost the treble to create what I think is a more Dynamic and Lively larger-than-life Sound.

Yamaha's YPAO volume feature is not bad too. I always enable it since I found it))) Though I heard Audyssey Dynamic EQ does more than boosting certain freqs. Is that correct?

 

[lovinthehd]

Audyssey DEQ is similar to the YPAO Volume, essentially a loudness contour that varies with volume....but Audyssey has several reference level offset settings so you can adjust for movies vs music (or due differing dynamic range attributes)....does YPAO do that?

 

[speakerman39]

Audyssey XT32 W/Sub EQ HT will also EQ (2) different subs whereas the 1070 does not do that. Have read that the 3070 does, but not the 1070. That is important if the buyer has more than (1) sub. The bottom line for me is that Audyssey just always sounded better than YPAO, DCAC, MCACC, and/or AccuEQ.

Have never experienced Dirac, but hope to someday. Furthermore, when Onkyo chose to do away w/Audyssey in favor for their own AccuEQ that really hurt them inmho. Some do claim to get good results from AccuEQ. I am just not one of them.


Cheers,

Phil

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Audyssey has several reference level offset settings so you can adjust for movies vs music (or due differing dynamic range attributes)....does YPAO do that?

Not just the Offset settings, but each speaker Channel Level will adjust the magnitude.

Increasing the Speaker Channel Level (trims) will increase the DEQ.

Decreasing the trims will decrease DEQ.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Yamaha's YPAO volume feature is not bad too. I always enable it since I found it))) Though I heard Audyssey Dynamic EQ does more than boosting certain freqs. Is that correct?

It’s confusing to compare between different brands because Audyssey has both “Audyssey Volume” and “Audyssey Dynamic EQ”.

Dolby has “Dolby Volume” and “Dolby Leveler”.

Is YPAO Volume like Audyssey Volume and Dolby Volume?

Or is YPAO like Audyssey Dynamic EQ or Dolby Leveler?

I hate “Audyssey Volume”. Like the Dolby Volume, this Compresses the dynamic range so that the lower volume is increased and higher volume is decreased.

“Audyssey DEQ” doesn’t compress the dynamic range.

@PENG showed FR graphs of Dynamic EQ which I believe showed a linear/flat FR for most of the frequencies, but mainly increased the mid-bass region and slightly increased the upper treble region.

All I know is that Audyssey DEQ seems to subjectively creates a sense of liveliness or a more dynamic larger sound.

I have tried to create my own manual Dynamic EQ effect by simply boosting the subwoofer levels, but this is nothing compared to DEQ.

For example one time I made the subs hot by 10-12dB when I had dual Funk 18.0 subs. Then turned DEQ off using Pure Direct mode. The sound was absolutely nothing like DEQ.

I have tried Dolby Leveler a little bit at a friend’s house. I don’t have enough experience with it and so could not recreate the DEQ effect I am used to with Audyssey DEQ.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Audyssey XT32 W/Sub EQ HT will also EQ (2) different subs whereas the 1070 does not do that. Have read that the 3070 does, but not the 1070. That is important if the buyer has more than (1) sub. The bottom line for me is that Audyssey just always sounded better than YPAO, DCAC, MCACC, and/or AccuEQ.

Have never experienced Dirac, but hope to someday. Furthermore, when Onkyo chose to do away w/Audyssey in favor for their own AccuEQ that really hurt them inmho. Some do claim to get good results from AccuEQ. I am just not one of them.


Cheers,

Phil

RichB owns the Emotiva pre-pro with Dirac. He didn’t like Dirac at all.

By wife’s uncle is a huge EMO fanboy. He also has an EMO with Dirac. He likes Dirac. But when I compared Dirac on vs off, I didn’t see much difference, but I did prefer Off.

 

[speakerman39]

RichB owns the Emotiva pre-pro with Dirac. He didn’t like Dirac at all.

By wife’s uncle is a huge EMO fanboy. He also has an EMO with Dirac. He likes Dirac. But when I compared Dirac on vs off, I didn’t see much difference, but I did prefer Off.

Have no direct experience w/Dirac. Just have read here and there that Dirac is supposed to be good. But, I have been so very happy w/Audyssey that I doubt that I will ever change. If so, it certainly would be a Yamaha. The 1070 does have YPAO RSC w/Multi-Point. Not to mention, Yamaha's reliability is legendary. Personally, I think that the OP would be happy with either one. Provided, both have the features that he is needing.



Cheers,

Phil

 

[PENG]

I couldn’t find any S&V measurements for the Yamaha A1000 series, but found a A2000 series and Denon X4000 series.

Yamaha 2070:
191W x 2Ch 8 ohms
259W x 2Ch 4 ohms
118W x 5Ch 8 ohms
45W x 7Ch 8 ohms

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/yamaha-aventage-rx-a2070-av-receiver-review-test-bench

Denon X4200:
149W x 2Ch 8 ohms
239W x 2Ch 4 ohms
118W x 5Ch 8 ohms
91W x 7Ch 8 ohms

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/denon-avr-x4200w-av-receiver-review-test-bench

The Yamaha A2000 series has a little more power than the X4000 series for 2Ch, but the same power for 5Ch and a only half the power for 7Ch.

As mentioned, in Direct mode, they will sound extremely similar.

Also as mentioned, the salient difference will be the EQ.

The Denon X4000 series has the same Audyssey XT32 as found in the $7,500 Denon AVP-A1HDCI and $7,000 McIntosh MX122 Pre-pros.


https://www.listenup.com/shop/mcintosh-mx122.html


Yamaha has their own EQ software.

Personally, the salient difference to me is the Audyssey Dynamic EQ (DEQ), which primarily boosts the mid-bass and slightly boost the treble to create what I think is a more Dynamic and Lively larger-than-life Sound.

They did measure the much older RX-A1020, with the following results:

Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 113.5 watts
1% distortion at 129.2 watts

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 63.9 watts
1% distortion at 73.2 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 57.0 watts
1% distortion at 65.1 watts

Into 4 ohms, the amplifier reaches 0.1 percent distortion at 146.1 watts and 1 percent distortion at 173.0 watts.

Read more at https://www.soundandvision.com/content/yamaha-rx-a1020-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures#LxgToCXJuoEvfp5C.99

 

[PENG]

Have never experienced Dirac, but hope to someday. Furthermore, when Onkyo chose to do away w/Audyssey in favor for their own AccuEQ that really hurt them inmho. Some do claim to get good results from AccuEQ. I am just not one of them.


Cheers,

Phil

I am hoping to try their demo within a month or two. If you have a laptop and a mic, you can do it anytime.

 

[speakerman39]

I am hoping to try their demo within a month or two. If you have a laptop and a mic, you can do it anytime.

No laptop. Never have liked them. No mic right now either. However, maybe soon all of that will change. Got some health issues that I am dealing with that has taken its toll. Bumpy road ahead for me. Sooner or later though, I will give Dirac a try. Thanks for the info! Be sure to let us know how you like/dislike Dirac if you don't mind.


Cheers,

Phil

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I am hoping to try their demo within a month or two. If you have a laptop and a mic, you can do it anytime.

I hope you will get to try Dirac and ARC and report.

 

[PENG]

I hope you will get to try Dirac and ARC and report.

I wish I could try Anthem ARC but they don't offer demos, and their software most likely works only with Anthem's.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I wish I could try Anthem ARC but they don't offer demos, and their software most likely works only with Anthem's.

No local Anthem dealers around to lend you a unit?