Why didn't they choose an AVR?

[TechHDS]

Yet he stood aside and let misinformation run rampant in that other thread. Can't go against the clique I guess.



Let's not re-write history, you were "liking" his quotes. Now you're actually making the points I made in the other thread.

Also, it's not beating a dead horse, it's clearing the air. The direction that thread took is why so many people don't come to this site anymore. I mean it shocking- the misuse of science and measurements and the vitriol held against any potential advancements.

The AHB2 was worthy of a good technical and scientific discussion. Too bad that wasn't allowed to happen. Gene needs to get this site back on track and not allow the inmates to run it. This is why so few people come here anymore, don't you notice it's always the same 6 or 7 guys discussing things in the same bubble patting each other on the back?

Your right there are a few who will do just what you are talking about. But I am sure, you know on other Forum's there are in there too. POLK audios Club had a run with overly zealous, analogies. I would be lying if I didn't say I experienced it in other forums and this one too. The nitpicking name-calling that's babyshit in my book. I meant no harm to you your thread or your post. Like you I have decades in this Hobby I come in here to learn something pick up a tip or 2 or get some help with gear. But let's face it of some of the things posted in here not just your thread are funny man the way I look at it, if some of them want to have fun at someones expense because of lack of knowledge in this Hobby than their analogies will show through their intentions of why they are in here. Gene's site is one of the best on the net it's known World wide. You may have a point about him taking control of his site, I can't say I haven't been in here that long.

 

[lovinthehd]

It's clear you don't even know what you are talking about. I have not proposed or compared anything, just wondering why some of you guys always do when it comes to specs. Why is that part so hard for you to understand? It seems your "butt" is not clenched because your head found it's way all the way up it. See, I can resort to lowly ad hominem comments too.

Where were YOU when ACDTGuy first made the "silly" comparison in the thread below. To a $300 AVR no less! Why weren't you calling him out?

https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/the-audio-path-in-consumer-grade-products.108304/



Wait, wait wait! Why should the answer be "more than obvious", you're quoting a marketing piece back to me that was put out by the manufacturer!!!! I thought you guys discard any such comments made my manufacturers!

Can you imagine if I would have replied like that to you guys in that other thread about the AHB2?



It seems that you're saying that the audio path in the AHB2 is exceptional and superior to many consumer product whether they be AVRs or separates. Clearly, SEAS agrees.

I wish YOU would have started the thread below instead of me because we might have actually gotten somewhere and discussed the design, build, circuit and component, etc. decisions that were made when this "extraordinary" little amp was conceived.

https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/the-audio-path-in-consumer-grade-products.108304/



The question was rhetorical.

LOL I might stick my head there once in a while, and I don't mind if you say it, especially since I don't think much of your opinions nor you of mine.....but in the instance of this thread I think you beat me to it by a long shot.

I'll have to take a look at this other thread that revved yer engine. Talk about a mountain out of a molehill so far.....

 

[TechHDS]

+1^^^^
Lolo man if all I had to do was look to see if I pulled my head through my ESS,, to try and see if I hung myself?. I would've spend more time on checking myself first. I didn't pickup this Hobby or join this Forum because I didn't want any fun out of it. I joined Audioholics Forum to learn more about the technical side of this Hobby and if getting my $butt' hurt from this Hobby or from a ole timer who has been in here 9, 10 or more years than so be it.

 

[TechHDS]

LOL I might stick my head there once in a while, and I don't mind if you say it, especially since I don't think much of your opinions nor you of mine.....but in the instance of this thread I think you beat me to it by a long shot.

I'll have to take a look at this other thread that revved yer engine. Talk about a mountain out of a molehill so far.....

@lovinthehd, You are a true friend of the Crown!. You still think Miller Lite beer is piss?
See an analogy, no harm Dilly Dilly!. Top of the Morning to you loveinthehd!. Now what about Damping Factor again?. .

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Dilly Dilly !

I don't drink beer at all, but I do love that commercial.

Bud Light must be the best, right?

 

[TechHDS]

Dilly Dilly !

I don't drink beer at all, but I do love that commercial.

Bud Light must be the best, right?

@AcuDefTechGuy, hey ole timer thanks for the shout-out hope all is well on your end of the world. Yeah I was just poking at 'loveinthehd' good guy in my book, he seems to be still ruffling feathers with his analogues. But than I go there to sometimes. We should elect 'loveinthehd' as the Sheriff of Audioholics Forum. But he is right about mountains and molehills with analogies.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Bud Light has the best SNR of 130-Beer, but unfortunately you will clip out at 10-Beer.

Hey, I see what you did there!

Why didn't they choose Miller Lite?

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Bud Light has the best SNR of 130-Beer, but unfortunately you will clip out at 10-Beer.

Hey, I see what you did there!

Why didn't they choose Miller Lite?

Lol, I can pee better beer than miller light after a night out!

 

[3db]

One always needs to be careful in reading manufacturer's glossies, even ones from seas a well respected name in driver manufacturing. There could be reasons well above and beyond the technical capabilities of that particular amp and all we can do is sit and speculate to the reasons. We will never really know and it would be really naive to think that this amp was chosen just for its technical capabilities.

 

[panteragstk]

I love that this thread was started to start an argument and then OP gets mad when it happens...Seems like all his threads end up that way.

I also think (as others have pointed out) that the reason is very obvious as to why an AVR wasn't chosen.

well, reasons:

1. Someone designing drivers doesn't need the features of an AVR so a stand alone amp makes more sense.
2. When a company chooses a piece of equipment to use as a TOOL for making quality components they typically want a very good, long lasting tool. Amps out last the rest of the components in an AVR. AVRs can die due to firmware updates, other stuff.

Not all that difficult to see why they chose a stand alone amp. No need to start a thread asking why.

 

[KEW]

Labs don't care about brands or status or high cost or who uses what, they care about science. If SEAS is using this amp to advance and test their drivers (which are used to reproduce audible sound) doesn't that tell you something?

Using this logic, everyone should swap their speakers for Focal Twin6 Be because that is what DTS uses in their demonstration room. I think we can conclude that they are probably good speakers (I think so, I do have them), but I would not present them as a clear step above other high quality speakers.

 

[TechHDS]

Lol, I can pee better beer than miller light after a night out!

@William Lemmerhirt @AcuDefTechGuy, lol, thanks for warm welcome back. My profile got hacked so I opened this one I figured as much couple you Old-Timers would recognize what I posted. William, nice to see your still kicking it around in here thanks for the luv!. Hey you ole timers feel like going into Polk Audios Club Forum?. I been hearing that a few of them cats been sneaking around In hear and going back to Polk Club and saying it's very painful to read what we post up in here!. You guys feel like jumping a couple of them pole cats over there? We can mention that since Matthew Polk sold the place all Polk gear sucks, that should start a good fight huh? We can leave fires all over the place then sneak back out before they catch on to us. We can just drop analogies all over the place that ought to really get them going.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

@William Lemmerhirt @AcuDefTechGuy, lol, thanks for warm welcome back. My profile got hacked so I opened this one I figured as much couple you Old-Timers would recognize what I posted. William, nice to see your still kicking it around in here thanks for the luv!.

Right on man! I tend to hit n run these days, been super busy, but I still can’t stop coming back. Lol
Welcome back.

 

[TechHDS]

Right on man! I tend to hit n run these days, been super busy, but I still can’t stop coming back. Lol
Welcome back.

William, how is PENG liking his new gear? I came very close to picking up that Marantz unit he has. So for now, I picked up a Yamaha from accessories4less till I can get a flagship, but I am torn between Marantz and Yamaha. Maybe I should shoot PENG a email would loved to hear his thoughts on his flagship he got.

 

[lovinthehd]

@lovinthehd, You are a true friend of the Crown!. You still think Miller Lite beer is piss?
See an analogy, no harm Dilly Dilly!. Top of the Morning to you loveinthehd!. Now what about Damping Factor again?. .

Is there any doubt? Great commercial, piss poor beer.

 

[TechHDS]

Is there any doubt? Great commercial, piss poor beer.

Is there any doubt? Great commercial, piss poor beer.

@loveinthehd, lol, I went check out that Crown amp you recommended came close to getting it, but my Son sold me that Emo XPA-5 gen 1, back to me for 400 bucks I couldn't pass that deal up. Before the year is up, hopefully a pair of Canton towers and a Yamaha or Marantz flagship not new on the AVR, that will come from accessories4less, unless one of you ole timers will be willing to part with one of y'all flagship units I know your a Pioneers man. I have look into Pioneers flagships but I don't know much about their amp design. But dam, to me Pioneer units look the best I never was crazy about the green or pale blue that Yamaha uses on the displays. loveinthehd if you don't mind would like your thoughts on Pioneer units flagships especially.

 

[lovinthehd]

Never had a Pioneer flagship. Had one mid-line a few years ago and it died after two years use, altho I did like it while it worked. I'm good with Denon/Marantz offerings these days....

So your son sold you back your amp? Geez....

 

[TechHDS]

Never had a Pioneer flagship. Had one mid-line a few years ago and it died after two years use, altho I did like it while it worked. I'm good with Denon/Marantz offerings these days....

So your son sold you back your amp? Geez....

Well, don't know if you remember about that really bad flood down here in Louisiana, on top of no flood insurance he got laid off from Halliburton has been out of work for over a year so the 400 bills I gave him for it was really to help him out with bills. He just pickup a new job with a company out of Canada. Don't know if you remember I had given him that XPA-5 as a gift. He starts his new job Feb 5, couldn't have come at a better time cause he went through all his savings was about to be late on a house note. Back to Pioneer, what can you school me on their amp design? it's class D right? , similar to what they use in subwoofers but not quite similar?

 

[lovinthehd]

Really haven't kept up with Pioneer, believe they do offer class d amps in their avrs, not sure if it's the whole lineup or not. Class d amps are available in a variety of formats, avr, power amp, dedicated sub amps, even as modules for a diy build....those Crown XLS amps are class d.

The buyback makes a bit more sense now, glad to hear your boy is back on track.

 

[TechHDS]

Really haven't kept up with Pioneer, believe they do offer class d amps in their avrs, not sure if it's the whole lineup or not. Class d amps are available in a variety of formats, avr, power amp, dedicated sub amps, even as modules for a diy build....those Crown XLS amps are class d.

The buyback makes a bit more sense now, glad to hear your boy is back on track.

Thanks, I have read up on Pioneers ICE, class D. But loveinthehd, for the life of me I can't wrap my head around it. Can you recommend a site I can maybe research just a little bit deeper? I am intrigued with that technology. I know that they are capable of hitting headroom better, less heat, less weight. I have had two subs burn out in less than three years so has my Son two Pro subs burn out too.