Questions about bass

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Foxrox

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Thank you shadyJ for posting the spectogram! Very cool!
 
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So B# was just understood to mean C? And E# meant F?
In different keys, B# and E# can be used when writing passages again, depending on whether it's ascending or descending or when indicating the key next to the clef and time signature on the staff. For instance, F# Major shows E# as the seventh, Some keys are rarely used because they're difficult to play on certain instruments and it's not easy to remember to play as many sharp or flat notes. It's more a technical issue- E# is the same scale as F Major, etc.
 
TheWarrior

TheWarrior

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In different keys, B# and E# can be used when writing passages again, depending on whether it's ascending or descending or when indicating the key next to the clef and time signature on the staff. For instance, F# Major shows E# as the seventh, Some keys are rarely used because they're difficult to play on certain instruments and it's not easy to remember to play as many sharp or flat notes. It's more a technical issue- E# is the same scale as F Major, etc.
Yeah that always annoyed me when I studied music theory. I thought the scales were so straightforward, why over complicate it!
 
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Yeah that always annoyed me when I studied music theory. I thought the scales were so straightforward, why over complicate it!
Because......monks. That's who could write when Early music was being written and performed. Also, I guess they should be thanked for many ale recipes, so.....

As much as a lot of people consider classical to be the highest form of music, if you want to have your head explode in a discussion of music theory, talk to Jazz musicians who have studied for a long time.
 
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Because......monks. That's who could write when Early music was being written and performed. Also, I guess they should be thanked for many ale recipes, so.....

As much as a lot of people consider classical to be the highest form of music, if you want to have your head explode in a discussion of music theory, talk to Jazz musicians who have studied for a long time.
Rochefort #8 is a favorite of mine...

I learned enough to construct chords on the fly but haven't gone any further. I expect that to change in the not too distant future...
 
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Rochefort #8 is a favorite of mine...

I learned enough to construct chords on the fly but haven't gone any further. I expect that to change in the not too distant future...
I had a guitar teacher who practiced sight-reading from flute and violin exercise books. Could play most standards, in any key. I had learned to read when I started playing guitar, but gave it up for a few years and in that time, lost most of the ability to sight read, which came in handy when i played trombone (the others couldn't, so I ended up in first chair pretty quickly). When I started studying with the guy with all of the reading ability, it frustrated him that I could play something that sounded OK, but I didn't really know why it was correct, or not. I also learn music very quickly, by ear- he wanted me to read and when I would make a mistake, he had me start over. That's unusual- most teachers have students keep going. When he noticed that I was making the mistakes in the same place, he asked if I had memorized it and that was the case- after the first run-through, I didn't really read it. He asked how I was able to play something that sounded good if I didn't know what should work and I told him "It has to sound good- otherwise, it's just technical". His solos sounded mechanical, technical and while they were 'correct', it wasn't anything I wanted to listen to. I took the Summer off and when I went back, his playing had jumped a few levels and he played much more melodically. I commented on it and he said he had taken an ear training class.

Grew up with a guy who plays trumpet- won a Grammy, was up for another one each of the last few years and teaches at the Frost School of Music in Miami. Played in the bands of Horace Silver, Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers, Phil Woods... Quite a few of his students have gone on to win national competitions and he's usually at the top of the Downbeat Jazz polls, behind Wynton Marsalis. One of these days.......


 
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Rochefort #8 is a favorite of mine...

I learned enough to construct chords on the fly but haven't gone any further. I expect that to change in the not too distant future...
Not long after I started on guitar, a friend and I talked about slapping together some kind of group, so we walked to a nearby discount store- he bought an electric guitar and I bought a bass. That went nowhere, they moved a few years later and nobody else in my age played much of anything, other than Brian (in the link) and he had been bumped three grades ahead as soon as they moved into the neighborhood, so he was playing with the older guys. Later, I had bought a bass with a bad neck from a friend who had been in a Fusion band, but it was good enough to bang around on. Eventually, it basically became unplayable but eventually, I was lucky enough to find a replacement neck and while I was getting that set up, I became impatient and bought another bass to play. I watched some video lessons on YouTube and having discussed playing bass with some others, I really started thinking very differently from when I played guitar- a lot of the time, I was almost on cruise control because I was familiar with the fretboard and could do it without thinking. Not that what I played was great, but with my ear, I'm able to get around without annoying anyone too much but that also led to a bit of boredom, on guitar.

On bass, there's a kind of mantra- "Where's the one?", meaning "Where's the tonic?"- this is more important for a bass player than anyone else since they determine the key. In addition, I really started to think about where the 4,5, 7 and 9, are, too- the octave is easy, but the others are different, especially when a bass runs out of strings before a guitar does.

Playing bass again made my thinking change significantly when I played and before I bought the second bass, I had noticed that when I listened to music, I wasn't thinking about or listening to the melody as much as the bass lines. Playing in a different range, playing the counterpoint has really helped.
 
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TheWarrior

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Not long after I started on guitar, a friend and I talked about slapping together some kind of group, so we walked to a nearby discount store- he bought an electric guitar and I bought a bass. That went nowhere, they moved a few years later and nobody else in my age played much of anything, other than Brian (in the link) and he had been bumped three grades ahead as soon as they moved into the neighborhood, so he was playing with the older guys. Later, I had bought a bass with a bad neck from a friend who had been in a Fusion band, but it was good enough to bang around on. Eventually, it basically became unplayable but eventually, I was lucky enough to find a replacement neck and while I was getting that set up, I became impatient and bought another bass to play. I watched some video lessons on YouTube and having discussed playing bass with some others, I really started thinking very differently from when I played guitar- a lot of the time, I was almost on cruise control because I was familiar with the fretboard and could do it without thinking. Not that what I played was great, but with my ear, I'm able to get around without annoying anyone too much but that also led to a bit of boredom, on guitar.

On bass, there's a kind of mantra- "Where's the one?", meaning "Where's the tonic?"- this is more important for a bass player than anyone else since they determine the key. In addition, I really started to think about where the 4,5, 7 and 9, are, too- the octave is easy, but the others are different, especially when a bass runs out of strings before a guitar does.

Playing bass again made my thinking change significantly when I played and before I bought the second bass, I had noticed that when I listened to music, I wasn't thinking about or listening to the melody as much as the bass lines. Playing in a different range, playing the counterpoint has really helped.
Well, we're talking about 'bass' so it doesn't yet constitute a thread jacking....

At this point my main interest in guitar and bass is to play Rush songs. Always been obsessed with the band, and the challenge makes it that much more interesting to me.

Made a friend when I lived in SoCal who came in to my restaurant one day with a guitar over his shoulder. He knew I loved the Gibson semi-hollow ES335. Well, he had a friend that cracked the head off of his Ephiphone Dot and repaired it, and then gave it to me! He felt horrible not realizing I was a lefty, but I said No, no, this is perfect! Flipped it over and been jamming on that beauty ever since! Bass is still foreign to me, but I'll get there eventually.
 

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