Another audyssey question

[lovinthehd]

Audyssey can be wrong, but it often designates speakers even close to full range as "large". However, you should still set them to small (its the better option, but it is optional, and its Audyssey's recommendation). When you go into the manual settings, after setting up Audyssey, and change the speakers from large to small you will then also have to pick a crossover setting (80 is recommended, but you have choices). When you do this, all the Audyssey settings remain, but now the Low frequency effects are being sent to the subwoofer only, and not the speaker that was previously set as "large". Audyssey reacts to any changes you make in manual and you do not have to run the Audyssey setup again.

FWIW that isn't Audyssey being wrong but rather the avr manufacturer disregarding Audyssey's recommendation. Probably judges an f3 of 40 Hz based on the test tone, plus the marketing guys don't want to tell you your stuff is "small"....

 

[Lilmo6868]

It seems like a never-ending battle playing with the crossover points and the sub-level gains ever so slightly every time I turn this thing on. LOL.
After running audyssey it turned the subs way down to like -10 + -11 so I've been slowly putting some of that back in I'm like at -6 and -5 right now and still playing with the crossover points of the bookshelves but it is starting to sound a lot better. Is it normal to have to put that much gain back in the subs?

 

[Craig Gordon]

FWIW that isn't Audyssey being wrong but rather the avr manufacturer disregarding Audyssey's recommendation. Probably judges an f3 of 40 Hz based on the test tone, plus the marketing guys don't want to tell you your stuff is "small"....

It seems like a never-ending battle playing with the crossover points and the sub-level gains ever so slightly every time I turn this thing on. LOL.
After running audyssey it turned the subs way down to like -10 + -11 so I've been slowly putting some of that back in I'm like at -6 and -5 right now and still playing with the crossover points of the bookshelves but it is starting to sound a lot better. Is it normal to have to put that much gain back in the subs?

Absolutely yes. Mine sets my subs at -19 !!!. At first I thought this was an error. Ive spoken to Audyssey and SVS (my sub manufacturer) about this. The fact is, most people have their subs set way to high. You get used to it and then when its gone you miss it. But it is correct. So yes, I also put about 6 db back into mine as well. I havent tested the actual results yet with my mic setup, but I know the low setting is the flatter more correct setting.

 

[lovinthehd]

Absolutely yes. Mine sets my subs at -19 !!!. At first I thought this was an error. Ive spoken to Audyssey and SVS (my sub manufacturer) about this. The fact is, most people have their subs set way to high. You get used to it and then when its gone you miss it. But it is correct. So yes, I also put about 6 db back into mine as well. I havent tested the actual results yet with my mic setup, but I know the low setting is the flatter more correct setting.

What avr allows a -19 setting? Is max -20? Most I'd heard of before was -15 and it's usually more like -12....

 

[Craig Gordon]

What avr allows a -19 setting? Is max -20? Most I'd heard of before was -15 and it's usually more like -12....

What I meant was, when running Audyssey, it has me set the actual subwoofer at -19 BEFORE I begin the actual test. I have SVS subwoofers and they have their own settings like most subwoofers. This -19 DB setting corresponds to a 75 DB output which is what my Marantz 8802A AVR Audyssey setup is looking for to start.

Then Audyssey actually added another -3 db itself on top of the -19 base setting of the subwoofers!!

I think the maximum setting that Audyssey can add or subtract is + or - 12.

 

[Pogre]

What I meant was, when running Audyssey, it has me set the actual subwoofer at -19 BEFORE I begin the actual test. I have SVS subwoofers and they have their own settings like most subwoofers. This -19 DB setting corresponds to a 75 DB output which is what my Marantz 8802A AVR Audyssey setup is looking for to start.

Then Audyssey actually added another -3 db itself on top of the -19 base setting of the subwoofers!!

I think the maximum setting that Audyssey can add or subtract is + or - 12.

That just means you have plenty of sub for your space. Not a bad problem to have.

 

[lovinthehd]

What I meant was, when running Audyssey, it has me set the actual subwoofer at -19 BEFORE I begin the actual test. I have SVS subwoofers and they have their own settings like most subwoofers. This -19 DB setting corresponds to a 75 DB output which is what my Marantz 8802A AVR Audyssey setup is looking for to start.

Then Audyssey actually added another -3 db itself on top of the -19 base setting of the subwoofers!!

I think the maximum setting that Audyssey can add or subtract is + or - 12.

Ah, makes more sense. Not all subs use numbers on the gain knob and they're very possibly not even comparable among the same make/model sub/amp. So post-Audyssey your subs are set to a level of -3 in the pre-pro? I have an Onkyo avr with Audyssey that goes to -15 for the sub (but not speakers) but my Denon avrs with Audyssey have the -12 limit. Some are -10.

 

[Lilmo6868]

Cool long as it's not just me. LOL