Another audyssey question

[Lilmo6868]

Why did Odyssey set all of my bookshelf speakers too large and should I leave it I do have two subs

 

[lovinthehd]

General recommendation is when using subs to set your speakers to small, all the avr is seeing when setting to large is an in-room f3 of 40hz generally. This is not Audyssey's particular recommendation but rather your avr manufacturer's....https://audyssey.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/212345023-Crossover-frequency

 

[Lilmo6868]

So if they are set on large will it have an effect on the LFE sent to the subs?
Will more data be sent to the subs even though the Crossovers on the bookshelves are set at 40 Hertz with them being on large? Or will more data be sent to the subs with them set on small steel at 40 Hertz crossover point?

 

[lovinthehd]

LFE (the .1 channel content) will still go to the sub, but no redirected bass from the speakers set to large will be sent to the subs. Large bypasses crossover use for those particular speakers.

 

[-Jim-]

Why did Odyssey set all of my bookshelf speakers too large and should I leave it I do have two subs

Can you advise what make /model of speakers you have? Sometimes Audyssey set speakers incorrectly, and a manual setting offer better benefit. I agree with lovinthehd's suggestions.

 

[lovinthehd]

Can you advise what make /model of speakers you have? Sometimes Audyssey set speakers incorrectly, and a manual setting offer better benefit. I agree with lovinthehd's suggestions.

Its not Audyssey but rather the avr manufacturer, if it were left to Audyssey it'd be an 80 hz xover and speakers set to use bass management when a sub is used.

 

[PENG]

Can you advise what make /model of speakers you have? Sometimes Audyssey set speakers incorrectly, and a manual setting offer better benefit. I agree with lovinthehd's suggestions.

They may make other mistakes, but apparently not this one. According to them, they past the freq roll off information, the AVR manufacturer decides on the small/large selection. If you follow the link HD provided in post #2, it should be clear.

 

[PENG]

So if they are set on large will it have an effect on the LFE sent to the subs?

As HD said, no.

Will more data be sent to the subs even though the Crossovers on the bookshelves are set at 40 Hertz with them being on large? Or will more data be sent to the subs with them set on small steel at 40 Hertz crossover point?

If the bookshelves are set to large, you shouldn't even be able to set the crossovers for them. Depending on the model, it would probably disappear, or grayed out and said "Full band", or something similar.

If you set them to small, crossover at 40 Hz, the frequency below 40 Hz will go to the sub. Note that the crossover point is not a brick wall either, there is a gradual roll off. Next question..

 

[Lilmo6868]

The front and rears and center are older v2 paradigms. Just one 6 inch in all of them.
What is everybodys preference with 6 inch bookshelves ,,, set to small or large????
Im thinking set all to small and cross at 40 hz.
Interested in yalls thoughts.

 

[lovinthehd]

The front and rears and center are older v2 paradigms. Just one 6 inch in all of them.
What is everybodys preference with 6 inch bookshelves ,,, set to small or large????
Im thinking set all to small and cross at 40 hz.
Interested in yalls thoughts.

When using subs I set all speakers to small/use bass management. I generally use xover of 80 to 100.

 

[Pogre]

I have tower speakers that come close to full range and I set them to small, xover 80-100 hz. Setting them to large will send no bass to your subs in stereo. Audyssey has mismanaged (or avr manufacturer as HD pointed out) my bookshelf speakers size many times.

 

[Lilmo6868]

Cool... Lol
Thought it was just me..

 

[Joe B]

When using subs I set all speakers to small/use bass management. I generally use xover of 80 to 100.

I agree. Sound advice.....(pun intended)

 

[-Jim-]

Its not Audyssey but rather the avr manufacturer, if it were left to Audyssey it'd be an 80 hz xover and speakers set to use bass management when a sub is used.

Gents,

Obviously you are correct. It's the Receiver OEM who decides on the implementation settings.

IMHO if you have book shelf speakers and I Sub, set them to small, crossover at 80 Hz and you'll be a happy man 99 times out of 100.

 

[Lilmo6868]

Thanks all for advice..

 

[Lilmo6868]

I ran one of those sound sweep test off of YouTube and I had a noticable void between 60 and 100 Hertz.
I'm thinking that 40 Hertz is too low of a crossover point for the surrounds they just can't reproduce 40 to 60 hertz.... bumping the crossover points up to 80 Hertz should fix this issue,?

 

[Joe B]

It should.......it might. You may have to set the crossover higher. Remember, your setting the level where the speaker starts to roll off. The 6" drivers may produce sound below 80hz, put that doesn't mean it's going to sound good set below 80, and in fact it might sound better set higher (100hz). Don't think that setting the crossover higher means your losing sound material from your v2's. It will be picked up by the sub. Remember, frequency response is not measured in a normal room, but in an anechoic chamber. Just because a driver can produce a sound in lab conditions doesn't mean it's going to happen in your home. These crossover points can be handled easily/effortlessly by the sub.

I'm running 75F's for the front left and right. Anthem's ARC software set the crossover at 80hz. I was surprised, I mean they're tower speakers. So, I played with the crossover settings to see if I could dial it in better. Dammed if those engineers at Anthem/Paradigm hadn't done their homework. At 80hz the sound is seamless, I can't even tell the sub is working.....all low end material appears to come from the towers.

You're almost there. When you nail this down I'm sure you'll be really happy with what you hear.

 

[Lilmo6868]

It should.......it might. You may have to set the crossover higher. Remember, your setting the level where the speaker starts to roll off. The 6" drivers may produce sound below 80hz, put that doesn't mean it's going to sound good set below 80, and in fact it might sound better set higher (100hz). Don't think that setting the crossover higher means your losing sound material from your v2's. It will be picked up by the sub. Remember, frequency response is not measured in a normal room, but in an anechoic chamber. Just because a driver can produce a sound in lab conditions doesn't mean it's going to happen in your home. These crossover points can be handled easily/effortlessly by the sub.

I'm running 75F's for the front left and right. Anthem's ARC software set the crossover at 80hz. I was surprised, I mean they're tower speakers. So, I played with the crossover settings to see if I could dial it in better. Dammed if those engineers at Anthem/Paradigm hadn't done their homework. At 80hz the sound is seamless, I can't even tell the sub is working.....all low end material appears to come from the towers.

You're almost there. When you nail this down I'm sure you'll be really happy with what you hear.

D

Thanks for the input... Im learning..lol

 

[lovinthehd]

You could also have a null due to your room in that frequency range but I would try a higher crossover to see if that helps first.

 

[Craig Gordon]

Audyssey can be wrong, but it often designates speakers even close to full range as "large". However, you should still set them to small (its the better option, but it is optional, and its Audyssey's recommendation). When you go into the manual settings, after setting up Audyssey, and change the speakers from large to small you will then also have to pick a crossover setting (80 is recommended, but you have choices). When you do this, all the Audyssey settings remain, but now the Low frequency effects are being sent to the subwoofer only, and not the speaker that was previously set as "large". Audyssey reacts to any changes you make in manual and you do not have to run the Audyssey setup again.