What avr is going to give me BOOM from the sub ?

[ThunderClap]

Hey all what avr is going to give me bang in the sub during movies ?
I'm not happy with what I've used - sometimes I see explosion an just a muted puff ...
I have a Bic sub brand new - it Kik with club music so I know it's not the sub ?
Is it the room correction over correcting ?
Marantz
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Onkyo way to go? Denon ?


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[highfigh]

Hey all what avr is going to give me bang in the sub during movies ?
I'm not happy with what I've used - sometimes I see explosion an just a muted puff ...
I have a Bic sub brand new - it Kik with club music so I know it's not the sub ?
Is it the room correction over correcting ?
Marantz
?
Onkyo way to go? Denon ?


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The AVR should have absolutely nothing to do with the bass response- that comes from your subwoofer, the room and the interaction of the speakers and the room.

Club music is mixed differently from everything else- the room correction is trying to achieve realistic sound levels for most sound-if you want to listen to club music, you may find that a separate system is a better way to achive good sound for both. It's kind of like trying to get a nice, polite music system to work well for Rap & Hip Hop- it's not usually gonna happen.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

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What bic sub is it? I'd do a sub crawl and make sure it's in the right place first of all. Placement is the first thing in subwoofer performance. Are you listening to your club music while sitting on the couch, or walking around the house? A single sub won't provide even bass in a space so if you're walking around you'll hear more/less bass in different areas. Also, movies go a lot deeper than music, and the bic might not be able to deliver all of the lfe track, with authority. I'd start with placement. Like highfigh said, an avr change won't do anything. I bigger sub will though.

 

[j_garcia]

Could be a config issue? Are the mains set to small or large? If the source is not set to bitstream, the receiver will not decode the audio correctly and give you something other than what you expect. Does it try to set your audio to some matrix mode or do you have it manually forced to a matrix mode? If it does it itself, you have the source configured wrong. If you've done it manually, you may not get bass being properly sent to the sub.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Try the EQ (on Sub if available or on AVR).

I love the Audyssey Dynamic EQ on my Denon. It boosts the mid-bass region, which I think is what you are looking for.

 

[Bucknekked]

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I'd do a sub crawl and make sure it's in the right place first of all. Placement is the first thing in subwoofer performance.

I hadn't thought of this idea when I first read the problem statement and the first few replies. But, in my limited experience with subs, the sub crawl is pretty important. William has a pretty good, free, idea here.
I know in walking around my music room, the standing waves and nulls are easily found : no bass, or whomping bass, all within feet of each other. If the OP put his listening position in a null: the bass would suck. If the OP is strolling around the room while listening, he will of course run in to both nulls and amplified points.

For a free idea: I second William's notion of doing a sub crawl. From there you can find fixes that are as easy as repositioning your sub to adding multiple more subs. There are some sub gurus here, so good ideas should be coming your way

 

[lovinthehd]

Describing more about how you chose sub location, and how you ran Audyssey may help (along with specific model of sub and avr so we know what you've got). What Audyssey features are you using? Is Dynamic Volume on? I'd turn that off to start, and as was mentioned try Audyssey DynamicEQ (and the settings of Reference Level Offset you're using for music vs movies).

 

[ThunderClap]

Could be a config issue? Are the mains set to small or large? If the source is not set to bitstream, the receiver will not decode the audio correctly and give you something other than what you expect. Does it try to set your audio to some matrix mode or do you have it manually forced to a matrix mode? If it does it itself, you have the source configured wrong. If you've done it manually, you may not get bass being properly sent to the sub.

Winner ! Mains set to large


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[ThunderClap]

You leave dynamic eq on? And volume ?


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[William Lemmerhirt]

You leave dynamic eq on? And volume ?


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Some do. I don't like dynamicEq and dynamic volume is only there to not annoy other people who might be trying to sleep or whatever.
Short answer? No for me.

 

[lovinthehd]

I use DynamicEQ but it's got different settings for movies (it's base setting) vs music (then use Reference Level Offset to customize the curve)

Never use the compression routine Dynamic Volume, no one else to worry about.

 

[Pogre]

I like dynamic eq also. Some folks don't. That's something you'll have to play with and see which you like better.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I use Audyssey Bypass L/R + Dynamic EQ ON + Dynamic Volume OFF 100% of the time for everything.

I love it so much that I would not buy anything without Audyssey Dynamic EQ.

For example, McIntosh makes 1 Pre-pro with Audyssey Dynamic EQ and another pre-pro with Lingdorf EQ.

If I were buying a McIntosh pre-pro, I would buy the one with Audyssey Dynamic EQ.