What's your favorite purple prose?

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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
Yes, you do hear damping/Q- it's usually called 'ringing', in the same way a drum head continues to vibrate after being struck. High Q rings longer, low Q makes the sound and its movement reduces at some rate over time via some means, whether it's the mass and tension of the head or outside forces, like an actual damper pad for the head (or the player's hand/elbow). Subwoofers with high Q are used for Rap/Hip Hop systems and they're sometimes known as 'one note wonder'. I would never advise using that type of enclosure for any other type of music, though. However, a well-damped sealed enclosure with drivers that can perform well at low frequencies does work extremely well for Rap & Hip Hop.
You would see ringing in group delay measurements. It is not really a problem for any semi-competently designed speaker or subwoofer. What people often attribute to overhang is just frequency response, not actual ringing or some kind of delayed energy.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
You would see ringing in group delay measurements. It is not really a problem for any semi-competently designed speaker or subwoofer. What people often attribute to overhang is just frequency response, not actual ringing or some kind of delayed energy.
I don't remember hearing 'overhang' referring to frequency, only excessive duration.
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
I don't remember hearing 'overhang' referring to frequency, only excessive duration.
A uneven frequency response leads to overhang ie excessive duration. This is usually a product of the room/speaker interaction, and not a product of the speakers themselves. If you are talking about SPL competition style car subwoofers, that is a different story, yes, group delay would be an issue there, but those are not meant to be high-fidelity systems.
 
Bucknekked

Bucknekked

Audioholic Samurai
I guess its time we throw another log on the purple prose fire. This one is from the review of an amplifier. Many of you will say "what could you get twisted up on an amplifier review?" . I will give you this review in two parts : one part now and one part later. You'd choke if I gave it to you all at once.

FIRST PART: If any of you can make a simple sentence, in english, small words, out of this first part of the review, I will award you the coveted WINNER trophy for your reply. The reviewer spent more time talking about the album he played than the amplifier he listened to. Here goes:

"Without thinking, I found myself enjoying Smokey & Miho's eponymous EP, picked up at a concert in 2002 (CD, Afro Sambas 001). On this utterly charming recording, ex–Cibo Matto lead singer Miho Hatori and ex-Blasters singer- guitarist Smokey Hormel perform what can only be described as Getz and the Gilbertos, all high on postmodernism and MDMA. Think smart and seductively dreamy. Think "Girl from Ipanema" drained of most of its stylized Playboy-era sexuality and refilled with a kind of heady, disenchanted eroticism.?

WTF did that guy just say about an album?
 
Bucknekked

Bucknekked

Audioholic Samurai
A forum about wet shaving :eek: :D :rolleyes:??!! I guess I live a sheltered life. Why would anyone make a ritual or fetish over that?
If I posted there to talk all about Gillette Foamy, would I get abused like someone here who bi-wired his Bose cube speakers?
Swerd,
Yes, if you did a post about any canned shave foam, the other kids on the forum would make fun of you. Many would question your parentage. Some might wonder if you ate paint chips as a kid.

You would get the same treatment there for canned shave stuff as you would for using a big box store HTIB for $99 and telling AH folks how great it was. They might send out counselors.
 
Bucknekked

Bucknekked

Audioholic Samurai
Ever been told that you need to be more gentle?
They don't call it wet shaving for nothing. I get stuff all over everywhere. Its part of the charm.
Its an activity. Many of us have to clean up after activities. If you're looking for quick n dirty, wet shaving isn't the right activity.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I thought I'd head over to Mapleshade, they always come up with some good stuff. Here's some snippets from their description of an "audiophile" electrical outlet plate ($165 for four outlet style, no obvious safety certification) made of their fairy dusted maple wood. They start out with a gem, makes ya wonder what the heck you've been thinking:

"A good-sounding AC wall outlet can be one of the biggest bang-for-the-buck upgrades in audio."

It's not just about the wood apparently:

"Insulator Body: The lower the dielectric absorption of the specific plastic chosen for the outlet insulator body and the lower the mass of that plastic, the less the AC outlet will compress the dynamics and smear the transients of the audio components it is serving."

But more about the plate:

"Faceplates: The less metal near the AC outlet, the better the sound. Apparently, the alternating electromagnetic fields around the outlet power conductors induce eddy currents in metal outlet faceplates—and the energy lost to those eddy currents audibly compresses current peaks and smears transients. Non-conducting faceplate materials yield better sound, provided a) they are not plastics with poor dielectric absorption; and b) the material used is a good sink for draining power conductor vibrations out of the outlet."

Shameless, just shameless.....
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Overlord
Yeah, I thought Bose marketing was full of $}{¡t. Really? Great sounding receptacles? What kind of A-hole comes up with this stuff, and worse yet, what kind of brain donor believes it. Too bad they can't be prosecuted. Or stoned in the street.


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Bucknekked

Bucknekked

Audioholic Samurai
I thought I'd head over to Mapleshade, they always come up with some good stuff. Here's some snippets from their description of an "audiophile" electrical outlet plate ($165 for four outlet style, no obvious safety certification) made of their fairy dusted maple wood. They start out with a gem, makes ya wonder what the heck you've been thinking:

"A good-sounding AC wall outlet can be one of the biggest bang-for-the-buck upgrades in audio."

It's not just about the wood apparently:

"Insulator Body: The lower the dielectric absorption of the specific plastic chosen for the outlet insulator body and the lower the mass of that plastic, the less the AC outlet will compress the dynamics and smear the transients of the audio components it is serving."

But more about the plate:

"Faceplates: The less metal near the AC outlet, the better the sound. Apparently, the alternating electromagnetic fields around the outlet power conductors induce eddy currents in metal outlet faceplates—and the energy lost to those eddy currents audibly compresses current peaks and smears transients. Non-conducting faceplate materials yield better sound, provided a) they are not plastics with poor dielectric absorption; and b) the material used is a good sink for draining power conductor vibrations out of the outlet."

Shameless, just shameless.....
lovinthehd:
I will give this post the highest praise possible : I will cut n paste it in to my master document of twisted purple prose by audio writers. I'm going to save this one so I can saver it later.

Somewhere out there, there's a reader who will pick this up and read it and go "oh wow, I had no idea you could get that much of a bonus out of faceplates. Let's get some". I know I've already seen a poster here on AH who was going to include some in a room upgrade. Someone on the forum may have said a discouraging word to that individual.
 
Bucknekked

Bucknekked

Audioholic Samurai
Yeah, I thought Bose marketing was full of $}{¡t. Really? Great sounding receptacles? What kind of A-hole comes up with this stuff, and worse yet, what kind of brain donor believes it. Too bad they can't be prosecuted. Or stoned in the street.


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I have seen people post on AH about room upgrades and have included audiophile receptacles on their list of things they want advice on. I kid you not. So as bad as it is someone writes that tripe, there are brain donors who read it and say "wow, I'd like 1/2 dozen please"
 
Verdinut

Verdinut

Audioholic Spartan
"Aircraft grade aluminum." Yes, it is of great benefit if the otherwise cheap scales on your knife handle or the control knob on your electronic device can break Mach 1.

More accurately, and the reason most manufacturers use this common as Coca-Cola 6061/6063 alloy is for machinability and usually much greater cutter and bit life. "Machine Grade" would be much more applicable.
Hi,
I believe that aircraft aluminum sheeting is the exact material used to built the small speaker enclosures installed in aircrafts.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
lovinthehd:
I will give this post the highest praise possible : I will cut n paste it in to my master document of twisted purple prose by audio writers. I'm going to save this one so I can saver it later.

Somewhere out there, there's a reader who will pick this up and read it and go "oh wow, I had no idea you could get that much of a bonus out of faceplates. Let's get some". I know I've already seen a poster here on AH who was going to include some in a room upgrade. Someone on the forum may have said a discouraging word to that individual.
LOL, yeah the guy who writes the ad copy there is on a mission. This is from an intro to an interconnect lineup:

"Just like your speaker cables, the wires that hook your CD player to your amp (the interconnects) can make as much or more difference than your speakers"

Between the outlet plates and these interconnects you hardly need speakers! LOL.
 
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MrBoat

Audioholic Ninja
Hi,
I believe that aircraft aluminum sheeting is the exact material used to built the small speaker enclosures installed in aircrafts.
Well, if it wasn't, it is now. :)

In many instances, marketing dorks are calling common 6061 or 6063-T6, "aircraft grade" aluminum. If it was something really structurally significant aircraft wise, or somewhat exotic in that association, it would be more like 7075 T6. Which would serve no significant advantage over the more common "machine grades" for civilian use. Many consumers see that as being valid for higher expense, even though the use of such "machine" grades actually saves the manufacturers a bunch of money, above all else.

I've been welding and fabricating aluminum going on 30 years. I use these materials every day. I can imagine calling the supplier and asking them for "aircraft grade" aluminum. And when I do order it, they don't assume I am building aircraft.
 
Bucknekked

Bucknekked

Audioholic Samurai
OK, I guess its time for Part Two of the amplifier review twisted prose. I see that no one was actually able to decipher the first part of what the reviewer wrote and translate it for us in to english. I'm glad I didn't give you the entire review at once. You may have choked on the prose and we may have had to call the paramedics.

If you read my prior post, that was part one: the album that he played to listen to an amplifier. This was his review of that album playing on the amp. I can't make this stuff up. I don't have the talent.

Review of the Sprout amp:
"The un-broken-in Sprout sounded a bit more smoky and soft than it should have, but with this disc, it also showed a remarkable playfulness that I couldn't remember experiencing with any but the best audio gear. I questioned myself. Was I really experiencing playfulness? I sat up and listened more intently. Yes, indeed, I was."

I checked at the NRC, NIST and with UL labs. They couldn't come up with a measure for playfulness. I think down at the daycare center they had something, but I wasn't able to get it in writing.
 
Bucknekked

Bucknekked

Audioholic Samurai
Just to be complete, here's the entire review of the Sprout amp, in one piece. I warn you though, don't try to read it all at once. It presents a choking hazard to adults with a reasonable vocabulary and no mind altering pharmacuticals.

The Entire Sprout review:
"Without thinking, I found myself enjoying Smokey & Miho's eponymous EP, picked up at a concert in 2002 (CD, Afro Sambas 001). On this utterly charming recording, ex–Cibo Matto lead singer Miho Hatori and ex-Blasters singer- guitarist Smokey Hormel perform what can only be described as Getz and the Gilbertos, all high on postmodernism and MDMA. Think smart and seductively dreamy. Think "Girl from Ipanema" drained of most of its stylized Playboy-era sexuality and refilled with a kind of heady, disenchanted eroticism. The un-broken-in Sprout sounded a bit more smoky and soft than it should have, but with this disc, it also showed a remarkable playfulness that I couldn't remember experiencing with any but the best audio gear. I questioned myself. Was I really experiencing playfulness? I sat up and listened more intently. Yes, indeed, I was"

Anyone able to translate this in to simple english is welcome to try. I would love to know what it says in plain english.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Well, what's the alternative.... "I played a favorite record to test an amp, although I'm not quite sure why, but it sounded great. The amp worked really good. It amplified nicely. The music sounded like the music I was playing."

ps He sold the record to me way more than the amp....maybe he's working for both.
 
Bucknekked

Bucknekked

Audioholic Samurai
Well, what's the alternative.... "I played a favorite record to test an amp, although I'm not quite sure why, but it sounded great. The amp worked really good. It amplified nicely. The music sounded like the music I was playing."

ps He sold the record to me way more than the amp....maybe he's working for both.
isn't a smoky amp sort of a problem?
 
killdozzer

killdozzer

Audioholic Samurai
Anyone able to translate this in to simple english is welcome to try. I would love to know what it says in plain english.
I'll give it a shot for such a coveted prize!:) But I need to use brackets for my comments.


As we live in the era of (horrific) “think less live more” Facebook slogans, I immediately connect with today’s audience by saying: “I didn’t and will not over-analyse, I just let my feelings (whatever these might be) take the lead so I placed no obstacle for enjoyment (as this is what brain always does in postmodern way of ‘digital baroque’ irrationalism - prevent you from enjoying life). (Postmodernism’s Arch Enemy is thinking/brain. It sees it as something arising out of fear - which is, of course - ungrounded so the more you eliminate the thinking/brain the closer you are to truth/real/genuine/experience etc. In reality this is merely political marketing spreading the “gospel according to dumb” and politically empowering the uninformed decision making as it is very useful in sales and protecting political elites from thinking working claass. This is where all of your “think (read: “buy”) with your heart” life philosophy went). (I won’t translate the bit about the album as this is all clear - he finds it charming, but I will offer a comment on the last part; the author is actually high on postmodernism where you have a levelled playfield of all horizons, e.g. Smokey Hormel might have performed like a Musk Caribou playing as quarterback). (In Postmodernism smart is not good, as we established earlier, so without ‘seductively dreamy’ smart is worth nothing. He is still on how players play and not the equipment). (Postmodernism also doesn’t like dirty, rather, it despise it, so it’s a good thing and an improvement to get rid of anything carnal, although I myself don’t see it in Girl from Ipanema as that song is mainly melancholic in mood. Postmodernism is about killing the 99.9 known germs, so the next part translates into)Think Soderbergh’s Girlfriend Experience where you can have a simulation of a close relationship without the mess of attachment (and disenchanted means eroticism is a commodity and should fall under free market laws. Love is, of course, marketing for eroticism). (Postmodernism also gets rid of essential; it is about the non-fat, non-alcohol, non-dangerous, non-this or that, so it is Girl from Ipanema squeaky clean from anything that reminisce of flash related messy copulation). (You all know how much these alchemists of the new put into breaking in of audio equipment, no further explanations there. As it is a levelled playfield, as I said before, he goes on to borrow from visual arts; it is a sfumato type of experience, where the word sfumato is also derived from an Italian word for smoke, hence looking through smoke makes outlines appear softer) The fact that Sprout was completely new the sound appeared less articulate, but this had an upside to it as this particular album sounded (and this is where I must admit defeat, of course it is more of the same where playfulness is a metaphoric type of speech, but it is hard to even outline what should it describe. Most often you will find this term describing a multitude of the tiniest of the sound decorum like string plucking, pulling your fingers across the strings making the hissy sound, together with the sense of your speakers not having trouble reproducing them all. So it’s a child’s play for the speakers. This, however doesn’t say anything about the amp nor does it make sense for the records that doesn’t feature all those sounds in the original mastering) filled with easily reproduced tiniest of the sounds. Indeed, I tricked myself into hearing the best of the audio gear because the amp wasn’t broken in. This would, naturally, wear off after a (for audiophools it is the longer the better) three year period when I will rather buy another Sprout and fool myself again than buy what I believe is the best audio gear.



You should buy Sprout for this album and hurry with the listening! When it wears off, throw it away and buy a new one as this planet is endlessly plastic and can be reused infinite number of times.
 
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highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
isn't a smoky amp sort of a problem?
Depends. I went to see a band and the bass player's amp started smoking. The harder he dug in, the more it smoked and if he backed off, it would smoke less- it was directly under a light and the plume drifted straight up. Never heard why it was smoking; might have been from something spilling in and drying on the heat sink (not even sure if it was solid state or tubes), but it was kind of funny.
 

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