2 SVS SB2000's or 1 JL Audio E110

[lovinthehd]

No subs. When put in a proper box these speakers can compensate for a second. Not saying permanently but temporeraly. But at the price that part dosent really matter cause he could buy 4 within his budget

Well he has WAF to consider and his finishing skills may not be up to a diy project, but might be worth a thought. I still wouldn't get JL drivers though.
Its helpful if you distinguish between drivers and complete subs or speakers....its confusing. A dual voice coil only gives you wiring options, it doesn't add output like a second driver can.

 

[jcriggs]

Considering I have not a single clue what a driver is when it comes to audio systems but I do know my subs I can definitely tell u I'm talking about duel voice coil subs. And in his budget it won't need to be a diy thing.

 

[Jeff Schmidt]

Considering I have not a single clue what a driver is when it comes to audio systems but I do know my subs I can definitely tell u I'm talking about duel voice coil subs. And in his budget it won't need to be a diy thing.

I definitely appreciate the suggestion, but I'm not interested in going this route.

 

[lovinthehd]

Considering I have not a single clue what a driver is when it comes to audio systems but I do know my subs I can definitely tell u I'm talking about duel voice coil subs. And in his budget it won't need to be a diy thing.

These are subwoofer drivers http://www.parts-express.com/cat/subwoofer-drivers/14, they become a complete subwoofer with the addition of an amp/enclosure. I'd still like to see some links for multiple JL complete subwoofers for the budget.

 

[Jeff Schmidt]

In order for me to answer your question please allow me to mention that my preference is on music listening first and foremost. As such, I crave the tight, punchy, and very well articulated sound w/vast distinctness in the transients. I will have it no other way. You can go so far as to say that I am admittedly very picky. Can't stand one-note, sloppy, boomy, and overhung bass. Honestly, it drives me crazy. By now you get the idea, no?

Right now w/the Hsu ULS 15 MK2 sub for $806 shipped is a steal to say the least! I am NOT aware of any other sub for the money out there right now that can best it. If there is, then I want to know about it. BTW, I also do like to watch a movie every now and then. The ULS 15 MK2 is no slouch in that department as well. It packs quite a wallop if you will giving you a visceral experience.

As far as getting one now and then saving to get another goes, my advice is to go for it! You will NOT regret it. Hsu offers B-stocks from time to time so check that often. Mine was a B-stock and it worked perfectly. Honestly, I never could find anything wrong w/it. But, I sure loved the discount that I got. Anyways, best wishes to you and on your decision!

Cheers,

Phil

Understood, I am more of a home theater/movie guy, but I do appreciate a quality music track as well. Thanks for the wisdom!

 

[Jeff Schmidt]

Lots of subwoofers have dual voice coils, but that doesn't mean their performance is better. It just means you can wire them in ways that is easier for a single amplifier to power. It looks like you misunderstand dual voice coils.

I would try to make the stretch for dual ULS-15 mk2s. A single ULS-15 mk2 almost doubles the performance of two E-110s. Yes, that is how powerful they are.

That is pretty impressive. I'm not at the knowledge level some of you guys on here so forgive my ignorance. How does 1 $800 sub sound twice as good as 2 $1500 subs? I realize the woofer is bigger, but is that it? If that's the case who wouldn't buy the HSU's? Sorry this is a big investment for me and I want to get it right. Other question is lovinthehd mentioned VTF 3MK's which would be better? Or maybe there "flagship model" VTF 15H MK2?

 

[everettT]

Considering I have not a single clue what a driver is when it comes to audio systems but I do know my subs I can definitely tell u I'm talking about duel voice coil subs. And in his budget it won't need to be a diy thing.

You don't know what a driver is but you know voice coils?

 

[jcriggs]

All I know are subs and speakers. If u break them down to the individual components of the speakers then I haven't a clue. But maybe u should do some research like I did in the few hours this thread has been going. The variety of wiring capabilitys is just a perk to the duel voice coil subs. My main issue with ur last argument is the fact that u beleive that a sub is not a sub until connected to an amp, yet if u Google subwoofer it destinctly shows the speaker it's self, no amp no box just the speaker it's self.

 

[jcriggs]

That's just like I clicked on ur link and all I saw was subs. Had to do a little more digging and the most I found was a horn driver

 

[everettT]

A VC is part of the driver, ie a sub woofer, woofer, mid woofer, etc. I don't need to research it, I'm very familiar with it. Maybe you should read some loudspeaker design books to get a better understanding of how a driver ( an individual raw speaker) works in a finished speaker (full range, 2 way, 3 way, subwoofer, etc) the VC is 1 component of a raw speaker driver, which has many parts that make it complete.

All I know are subs and speakers. If u break them down to the individual components of the speakers then I haven't a clue. But maybe u should do some research like I did in the few hours this thread has been going. The variety of wiring capabilitys is just a perk to the duel voice coil subs. My main issue with ur last argument is the fact that u beleive that a sub is not a sub until connected to an amp, yet if u Google subwoofer it destinctly shows the speaker it's self, no amp no box just the speaker it's self.

 

[jcriggs]

A VC is part of the driver, ie a sub woofer, woofer, mid woofer, etc. I don't need to research it, I'm very familiar with it. Maybe you should read some loudspeaker design books to get a better understanding of how a driver ( an individual raw speaker) works in a finished speaker (full range, 2 way, 3 way, subwoofer, etc) the VC is 1 component of a raw speaker driver, which has many parts that make it complete.

So let me get this straight. This hole thread is about subs, and u just have to make it complicated by throwing in all this in necicary and pointless info about drivers. I don't need to read a book or do research to give someone advice like this thread asks for. All I can say is I prefer duel voice coil above all because of the capabilitys that apperently u and that other guy attacking my knowledge don't know about.

 

[everettT]

So the driver has nothing to do with this thread? Either your trolling or really posting in a thread that you think you have knowledge about, but don't.

So let me get this straight. This hole thread is about subs, and u just have to make it complicated by throwing in all this in necicary and pointless info about drivers. I don't need to read a book or do research to give someone advice like this thread asks for. All I can say is I prefer duel voice coil above all because of the capabilitys that apperently u and that other guy attacking my knowledge don't know about.

 

[jcriggs]

His question was asking what kind of sub he should get not what kind of driver. He is speaking as a hole unit not as a component. I'm not trolling. I gave this man my honest opinion, and u jumped in and started harping on me. Honestly from what I have seen I think u might be trolling. I have seen u on many threads attacking ppl for the advice that they gave just because u don't agree with it. Now I'm done with this thread I gave my opinion

 

[everettT]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_driver

Yes he was, an the VC is part of the driver ....

In post #9 you mentioned dual VC , which started the conversation about the drivers

And as shady explained, here is JLs info on it
http://www.jlaudio.com/header/Support/Tutorials/FAQ:+Dual+Voice+Coils+(DVC)/FAQ:+Dual+Voice+Coils+(DVC)+/287542

 

[shadyJ]

That is pretty impressive. I'm not at the knowledge level some of you guys on here so forgive my ignorance. How does 1 $800 sub sound twice as good as 2 $1500 subs? I realize the woofer is bigger, but is that it?

Bigger woofer is a big part of it. Its also the bigger cabinet, which allows for more efficiency. Also, you can't judge the performance of these things by cost. There are subs that cost substantially more than the E110 but are even worse performers. Another thing that hikes the price is the retailers. Hsu sells direct, so there are no dealers and dealer costs to pay. That slashes a big chunk off the price.

If that's the case who wouldn't buy the HSU's?

The Hsu subs are a bit large, and most people do not want subwoofers that large in their rooms. This is why little subs like the E110 are so popular. It isn't bad for the size, but it is smoked by the Hsu in terms of performance.

Other question is lovinthehd mentioned VTF 3MK's which would be better? Or maybe there "flagship model" VTF 15H MK2?

The VTF3 and VTF15h are ported subs that will have more deep bass output. They do have more output, but they are larger than the ULS-15 mk2. If you have a medium to large room, and can accommodate the size of these ported subs, get those instead. If you just can't handle a sub that large, try to get the ULS-15.

 

[Pogre]

So let me get this straight. This hole thread is about subs, and u just have to make it complicated by throwing in all this in necicary and pointless info about drivers. I don't need to read a book or do research to give someone advice like this thread asks for. All I can say is I prefer duel voice coil above all because of the capabilitys that apperently u and that other guy attacking my knowledge don't know about.

If you don't want to do the research you probably shouldn't be giving advice. From what I've read so far you seem to be confused.

 

[cel4145]

Understood, I am more of a home theater/movie guy, but I do appreciate a quality music track as well. Thanks for the wisdom!

In that case, seems like the important questions to help you haven't been asked yet. How big is your room? Are you chasing movie theater reference volumes? Could be, based on the answer to those questions, that sealed subs are not the best choice for you and the conversation to this point has largely been moot.

 

[cel4145]

If you don't want to do the research you probably shouldn't be giving advice. From what I've read so far you seem to be confused.

I agree. It probably would be best, jcriggs, to limit yourself to "I really like my sub" and how it sounds to you, and not offer homespun audio theory and implementation opinions. Post #9 indicates you don't understand the benefit of dual subs, and post #11 seems confused because the subs being discussed have built in amps???

 

[Jeff Schmidt]

In that case, seems like the important questions to help you haven't been asked yet. How big is your room? Are you chasing movie theater reference volumes? Could be, based on the answer to those questions, that sealed subs are not the best choice for you and the conversation to this point has largely been moot.

My home theater is in a part of a finished basement. It's a 15x33 room and I use about half of that for home theater and the other half is a bar/game room. I think I am leaning towards one of the ported HSU subs just haven't decided wether to get the VTF 3MK or VTF 15H MK-2.

 

[Jeff Schmidt]

Bigger woofer is a big part of it. Its also the bigger cabinet, which allows for more efficiency. Also, you can't judge the performance of these things by cost. There are subs that cost substantially more than the E110 but are even worse performers. Another thing that hikes the price is the retailers. Hsu sells direct, so there are no dealers and dealer costs to pay. That slashes a big chunk off the price.

The Hsu subs are a bit large, and most people do not want subwoofers that large in their rooms. This is why little subs like the E110 are so popular. It isn't bad for the size, but it is smoked by the Hsu in terms of performance.


The VTF3 and VTF15h are ported subs that will have more deep bass output. They do have more output, but they are larger than the ULS-15 mk2. If you have a medium to large room, and can accommodate the size of these ported subs, get those instead. If you just can't handle a sub that large, try to get the ULS-15.

This is why I posed the question on here. You and others out there saved me from making a decision that I would have regretted once I gained more experience down the road, so thank you for that. I certainly wouldn't buy something under the pretense that just because it's more expensive it's better. However, what I didn't think enough about was the factory direct/dealer markup aspect and I especially didn't consider the size factor. Which matters little to me compared to performance, but I realize that's a bigger factor for most folks

I think it's going to be either the VTF3 or th VTF15h. Just not sure it's worth the much heftier shipping fee for The VTF15h. If I did get one of these behemoths is there even a point to getting a second one down the line some time or would it be overkill?