Mass shooting in Orlando - Politics

[highfigh]

B. As long as you coddle and make excuses for the lawbreakers, they will continue to break the law. The left is already making excuses for that evil sob in Orlando. If you commit a crime with a firearm there should be a mandatory looong prison sentence. No parole. If you kill someone illegally with a firearm, you're put away for ever. Period. You can never stop insane people. But making a national issue of one instance and ignoring the same losses every week in our cities is confusing to me. Why are we lenient with the laws we have, yet so eager for new laws?

Do you really believe conservatives, (half the population), are dirty, rotten, evil, stupid bastards?

A Milwaukee suspect in seven felonies was released on $10,000 bail. He's back in jail, now with $100K bail required, after police searched his home and found all kinds of things that shouldn't have been there. They searched because Little Einstein posted a Facebook video of himself with a gun, smoking dope. Being a violation of the conditions for his release, the Police acted.

He was arrested for crimes before, released and jumped right back into the crap life he was living- I seriously doubt this is an uncommon case and it's a major cause of the problems in America- criminals aren't being held when they should be.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/suspect-in-7-felonies--and-released-on-bail--back-in-jail-b99747841z1-383704921.html

Another released killer kills again-

http://www.nj.com/atlantic/index.ssf/2014/10/man_kills_mother_less_than_2_days_after_getting_out_of_prison_after_serving_30_years_for_murder.html

"Stupid crime means no time"-

http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/106387898.html

And yes, even in Australia-

http://criminology.research.southwales.ac.uk/features/reoffending/

Released criminals return to incarceration-

http://www.crimeinamerica.net/2010/09/29/percent-of-released-prisoners-returning-to-incarceration/

 

[Chu Gai]

Going into a church means they're not on public property any more. OTOH, they often protest at funerals while remaining on public property, and in an 8-1 decision, the Supreme Court effectively said they had the right to do that, and that the "church" wasn't liable for damages.

It doesn't take much to become a church. I believe it was in Australia that the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster has finally been recognized.

 

[highfigh]

It's very unfortunate. They can't even make, or agree on, common sense decisions.
Even the far right supreme court justice Antonin Scalia said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.

It shows the amount of money gun lobbyists are spending, and threatening to take away, from lawmakers that's the major cause of this willingness to do nothing.

So, which is it? A problem that the NRA is powerful, or that the lawmakers may be paid for their votes on bills?

If the latter, we should audit everyone in Congress and remove anyone who takes money from outside interests.

 

[herbu]

Going into a church means they're not on public property any more. OTOH, they often protest at funerals while remaining on public property, and in an 8-1 decision, the Supreme Court effectively said they had the right to do that, and that the "church" wasn't liable for damages.

Right. And while offensive, crude and disrespectful, it still doesn't infringe on any of my "rights". I don't have a "right" to be isolated from offensive and stupid people on public property.

 

[Steve81]

Right. And while offensive, crude and disrespectful, it still doesn't infringe on any of my "rights". I don't have a "right" to be isolated from offensive and stupid people on public property.

So going back to your earlier post:

No, I don't think so because I have no disparaging thoughts or feelings about LGBTs. If you can find where I have, I will sincerely apologize. I believe in equality. I believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I do not believe my rights trump yours, or vice versa. Our disagreements often come when "my" rights are in conflict with "your" rights.

Which of your legal rights do you feel the LGBT community is infringing upon?

 

[highfigh]

This is what I have been saying. It was a religious conflict.
For some reason the christians fail to acknowledge this type of thing has been going on in their community for eons. The fact that he was Muslim is secondary. It was a religious conflict.
It's because of hatred and bigotry that his religious affiliation is being brought up.
Doesn't matter if he was Christian, Muslim, or Hindu or what ever.
Look at all the mentally ill people that have shot abortion drs. They say it's in the name of the 'Lord'. 99% percent identified as christian.

Manifest Destiny?
"courageous pioneers believed that America had a divine obligation to stretch the boundaries of their noble republic to the Pacific Ocean.


Crusades? Spanish Inquisition? All terror related perpetrated by people that identify as Christian.

I agree with most of what you posted, but did you know that the Crusades were initiated because the Holy Land was under Muslim control and non-Muslims didn't have access to it? It's still not a settled issue and if the fact that Islam didn't come along until after 600 A.D. seems like a logical reason for the Muslims to take control there, it would seem that you have a beef with Christianity that's not letting you see the underlying problem. Ever read ANY of the Quran? You ought to, if you haven't.

 

[herbu]

Which of your legal rights do you feel the LGBT community is infringing upon?

Absolutely none. My concern is with a law that requires a school/business to allow men in the women's restroom/changing room/locker room/etc.

 

[highfigh]

I am absolutely in agreement with this!
A licensing process which requires training and testing just makes sense to help assure gun owners are being responsible about safety and procedures.

An aside, and a tip for cleaning guns:
My GF has a friend on the police force who was cleaning his gun and accidentally shot the chair where his wife often sits. He was mortified! He is a meticulous guy, the anal boy scout type. He cannot believe it was loaded, he has easily cleaned his guns 1,000 times over the last 30 years! Everyone who knows him well would list him as the last person to make such a mistake!
Maybe he was tired, or more likely preoccupied with something, but he definitely isn't the first to accidentally shooter a weapon while cleaning. A good solution is to unload your weapon and exchange the ammo for your cleaning kit. Think of it as "borrowing" your cleaning kit and leaving the ammo as "collateral" until you return it.

The first rule of handing over or receiving a handgun is to unload it and clear the chamber. ALWAYS!

I googled 'the four rules....' and auto-fill caused the first link to be 'the four rules of gun safety'. That is exactly what I was looking for and there's a good reason for this.

Here they are-

• 1.1 Treat firearms as if they are loaded
• 1.2 Point the muzzle away from non-targets
• 1.3 Keep fingers off the trigger
• 1.4 Be sure of the target and of what is beyond it

A gun can't be cleaned if it's loaded. Period. You can clean parts of it, but not all of it. The first thing many people do when they contemplate suicide is fire a test round. Granted, most cops have fired so many rounds that they can identify the caliber of the weapon when they hear it, but it applies to them too when they decide to end it all. The coupling of the sound and the realization of what they were considering is usually what prevents this act. Some get help, some find another way and some just decide to keep going.

If you want to discuss attempted suicide and the warning signs, I might be able to put you in contact with my cousin's daughter- she now councils people who are considering this, since she's still alive after her attempt.

 

[highfigh]

The late Charlie Reese used to writ for the Orlando Sentinel. He published a piece, which was updated as the years went on. It was titled, Looking for Someone to Blame? Congess is a Good Place to Start.

The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it. The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating appropriations and taxes.

The POTUS doesn't propose the budget, he signs or vetoes it. They may push for some parts of it, but for a POTUS to build the budget for the US government, they wouldn't have time to do much else, let alone golf as much as he does.

Yes, some other Presidents golfed a lot, but they didn't have as many pressing issues, either.

 

[Steve81]

Absolutely none. My concern is with a law that requires a school/business to allow men in the women's restroom/changing room/locker room/etc.

It's well established in law that businesses do not have the same rights as individuals (i.e. the Commerce Clause in the US Constitution). Public schools are likewise limited in terms of their rights. Take the Civil Rights Act for example, and its impact on schools and businesses at the time.

 

[herbu]

It's well established in law that businesses do not have the same rights as individuals (i.e. the Commerce Clause in the US Constitution). Public schools are likewise limited in terms of their rights. Take the Civil Rights Act for example, and its impact on schools and businesses at the time.

So the question becomes: Does "identifying with" afford the same rights and benefit as "being"? If so, are there limitations? Can I identify with Native Americans? African Americans? Americans with Disabilities? Senior Citizens... well, that one doesn't apply.

If "identifying with" is the same as "being", how do we manage and implement? If not, how do we decide which one applies?

 

[herbu]

As you and others on the right refuse to see this was terror brought by a mentally ill individual who was a self loathing closeted gay man. Who a few months ago pledged alliance to an enemy of isis.

The implication being this enemy was ideologically opposed to Isis? I've heard this statement before. Who is this "enemy" group? Are they opposed to the murder of gays and subjugation of women? Are they opposed to the elimination of non-Muslims? Are they Jewish? Southern Baptist? Who is this group and what do they represent? How is this nut's alliance to them different than his alliance to Isis?

The Taliban is also the enemy of Isis. Not in their ideals, but because they're in competition with each other. Does allegiance to one over the other make any difference to us, or the people in Orlando?

 

[Alex2507]

You, yourself have made disparaging remarks about gays on this forum.

Doug can take it. She's heard it all before.

 

[Steve81]

So the question becomes: Does "identifying with" afford the same rights and benefit as "being"?

Any specific legal rights and benefits you're referring to beyond being able to use the public bathroom you identify with? It's not as if women have more legal rights to free speech, bear arms, etc. than men do.

With respect to restrooms, do people get this bent out of shape when only unisex facilities are available in a public spot? Should you be arrested if you have no other option but to use a women's restroom (nature calls, men's room down for maintenance)? Are there numerous reports of transgendered individuals acting in a lewd manner/committing assault in women's restrooms, or do they by in large go in, do their business, and leave?

Can I identify with Native Americans? African Americans? Americans with Disabilities? Senior Citizens... well, that one doesn't apply.

In the case of transgendered individuals, they do a lot more than just "identify with" a certain gender, i.e. sex reassignment surgery, hormone therapy, etc. In a similar vein, I suppose if you cut your legs off, you could identify with Americans with Disabilities.

 

[Steve81]

Doug can take it. She's heard it all before.

Even that comment is disparaging when you think about it. It's like when my wife mocks me for pulling a Steve because I have a habit of leaving the water running too long when refilling the Brita filter, except they aren't in on the joke. Sounds like it's time for some AH sensitivity training.

 

[markw]

As an aside, here's recent development among our new "guests"

"Innocent play when one of the three boys – aged eight, 10, and 13 – took the little five-year-old into the laundry unit stripped her naked, held a knife to her throat and repeatedly raped her, and then urinated on her because the two younger boys were incapable of ejaculating. The 13-year-old videotaped the entire episode on his cell phone camera.
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The mother of one of the alleged rapist arrived on the scene and fortunately she spoke English. Well, she spoke to words of English, “no police.” The father of the 13-year-old who took the video of the rape reportedly congratulated his son."

First, we get a self loathing muslim gay who shoots up a club of fellow gays and now we find out about this.

Yeah, just what this country needs.

http://joeforamerica.com/2016/06/syrian-refugees-idaho-rape-little-girl-knifepoint-body-video/?utm_source=LASMP&utm_medium=shr&utm_campaign=LASMP

 

[highfigh]

So the question becomes: Does "identifying with" afford the same rights and benefit as "being"? If so, are there limitations? Can I identify with Native Americans? African Americans? Americans with Disabilities? Senior Citizens... well, that one doesn't apply.

If "identifying with" is the same as "being", how do we manage and implement? If not, how do we decide which one applies?

I identify as 'wealthy', but some people say I'm a bit 'snooty'.

I'm working on my 2nd million dollars- gave up on the 1st one a long time ago.

 

[highfigh]

The implication being this enemy was ideologically opposed to Isis? I've heard this statement before. Who is this "enemy" group? Are they opposed to the murder of gays and subjugation of women? Are they opposed to the elimination of non-Muslims? Are they Jewish? Southern Baptist? Who is this group and what do they represent? How is this nut's alliance to them different than his alliance to Isis?

The Taliban is also the enemy of Isis. Not in their ideals, but because they're in competition with each other. Does allegiance to one over the other make any difference to us, or the people in Orlando?

Who's an enemy of one group or another depends on the friends and enemies of everyone in that region- they may be enemies at one moment in time, but allied at some other times. The whole "My friend's enemy is my enemy", and all that.

 

[highfigh]

As an aside, here's recent development among our new "guests"

"Innocent play when one of the three boys – aged eight, 10, and 13 – took the little five-year-old into the laundry unit stripped her naked, held a knife to her throat and repeatedly raped her, and then urinated on her because the two younger boys were incapable of ejaculating. The 13-year-old videotaped the entire episode on his cell phone camera.
...
The mother of one of the alleged rapist arrived on the scene and fortunately she spoke English. Well, she spoke to words of English, “no police.” The father of the 13-year-old who took the video of the rape reportedly congratulated his son."

First, we get a self loathing muslim gay who shoots up a club of fellow gays and now we find out about this.

Yeah, just what this country needs.

http://joeforamerica.com/2016/06/syrian-refugees-idaho-rape-little-girl-knifepoint-body-video/?utm_source=LASMP&utm_medium=shr&utm_campaign=LASMP

Well, I guess I won't be moving to that crap hole.

Some guy tried to entice an 8 year old boy to get into his truck around the corner from my house- the news showed a sketch, but there was no description of the truck. He told the boy that he was a former major league baseball player and he had some autographed cards, but the kid called out to his dad, who confronted the turd in the truck. The PD has an information officer who goes to all of the schools and the kids had learned that if someone approaches or calls them over, they should get their parents, a cop or an adult friend. He did all of the right things.

I called the PD last night and got some details but I have to wonder why the dad didn't take some photos of the DB- EVERYONE has a cell phone!

I hope they catch this dirtbag- this is the first time someone has tried this with a kid on this neighborhood and since I grew up here, I'm pissed. We don't need this- lots of young kids in the area and it makes me want to go to the meetings for relocating sex offenders, so I can help prevent any of them moving into this subdivision. For all I care, they can ship these idiots to an island in the middle of an ocean, so they can do what they want to each other.

 

[Alex2507]

Sounds like it's time for some AH sensitivity training.

Actually it's time for something entirely different.