How Could?

[speakerman39]

Folks, like many home towns that celebrate our fallen heroes that have given all for our country. Mine is no different. However, someone decided to destroy our plan to honor those that gave their lives for us all. How could someone do this? How disrespectful could someone be? I am at a loss for words:

http://www.14news.com/story/32087952/arrest-made-after-160-memorial-day-crosses-were-damaged-at-henderson-park

The crosses are displayed in central park every year for Memorial Day. Have been so proud of my community for doing so. Then, this happens! Just blatant disrespect!

Cheers,

Phil

 

[Jeff R.]

Another indication of folks not being educated on how we got these freedoms that we all enjoy each day....or they are just low life losers.


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[speakerman39]

Another indication of folks not being educated on how we got these freedoms that we all enjoy each day....or they are just low life losers.


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That is one way of looking at it. But, those are NOT the words I attached to the culprit. Lets just say you are much more polite than me! 160 crosses were damaged altogether. Some to the point that were beyond repair. Sure not the way to honor our veterans. Especially, those that sacrificed everything for our great country.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[markw]

We've raised a couple of generations who have never seen war and have no idea, or respect for, what our parents and grandparents have given up to give us this country.

Our educational system has, for the past 40 - 50 years or so has been inculcating our young with the idea that America is the aggressor in all the world's conflicts and does all it can to keep it's people down.

Look at these nonsense college protests and this "safe place" stuff. they want to destroy this country and all it stands for. ...and, unless things change quickly, they just might do it.

 

[speakerman39]

We've raised a couple of generations who have never seen war and have no idea, or respect for, what our parents and grandparents have given up to give us this country.

Our educational system has, for the past 40 - 30 years or so has been inculcating our young with the idea that America is the aggressor in all the world's conflicts and does all it can to keep it's people down.

Look at these nonsense college protests and this "safe place" stuff. they want to destroy this country and all it stands for. ...and, unless things change quickly, they just might do it.

All points well taken. It is very sad what is going on in our country. The question is, can America be great again? It is NOT going to be an easy task. But, I do have hope that the US can get it together. If not, then as you mention there might not be a "country".

Seems we are rearing a generation of kids that can certainly work a tablet and/or cell phone. But, anything else forget about it. Most just have their hands out wanting everything given to them while playing their video games. So much is taken for granted. Merely our younger generation is more or less helpless. Forget about a work ethic!

Cheers,

Phil

 

[markw]

This just in...

http://www.youngcons.com/man-drives-over-160-memorial-day-crosses-arrested-after-pieces-found-embedded-in-tires/

Talk about raising a generation of hateful cowards. He won't even own up to it.

but, have no fear. Henderson isn't alone here.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/veterans-sites-in-california-kentucky-virginia-damaged/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

 

[speakerman39]

This just in...

http://www.youngcons.com/man-drives-over-160-memorial-day-crosses-arrested-after-pieces-found-embedded-in-tires/

Talk about raising a generation of hateful cowards. He won't even own up to it.

but, have no fear. Henderson isn't alone here.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/veterans-sites-in-california-kentucky-virginia-damaged/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

Yeah Mark it is a sad sad day. But, I am very proud of how my local community is handling this. There are a large group of bikers coming out of Ft. Campbell, Kentucky standing guard at Central Park until after the services are over on Monday. Many in my community have stepped up and are in the process of replacing the crosses. Local businesses are also offering any and all assistance that they can. This may just end up bringing my community closer together.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[herbu]

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

I think we're seeing, in all aspects of life in the US, what happens when people are not taught and reminded how they got what they have. The last couple generations have been insulated from the reasons and horrors of past wars.

They are not taught the immense sacrifices that gave us what we have today. They are not taught patriotism. They are not taught there is no such thing as a free lunch. They are taught the faults and mistakes of our forefathers and our country. They are taught contempt instead of respect.

I fear this attitude will eventually make us ripe for the picking. Some future generation will have to repeat the sacrifices of their ancestors to keep their freedoms. It will be horrible and very, very sad.

 

[avliner]

Pretty much hard to believe someone could do something like that...

 

[Chu Gai]

Well, is it any wonder about deplorable behavior when you've got an ESPN fellow strongly objecting to police singing the

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

I think we're seeing, in all aspects of life in the US, what happens when people are not taught and reminded how they got what they have. The last couple generations have been insulated from the reasons and horrors of past wars.

They are not taught the immense sacrifices that gave us what we have today. They are not taught patriotism. They are not taught there is no such thing as a free lunch. They are taught the faults and mistakes of our forefathers and our country. They are taught contempt instead of respect.

I fear this attitude will eventually make us ripe for the picking. Some future generation will have to repeat the sacrifices of their ancestors to keep their freedoms. It will be horrible and very, very sad.

Along the lines of what you said, here's what a fellow that's on ESPN said recently. I hope they fire the bastard.

 

[highfigh]

We've raised a couple of generations who have never seen war and have no idea, or respect for, what our parents and grandparents have given up to give us this country.

Our educational system has, for the past 40 - 50 years or so has been inculcating our young with the idea that America is the aggressor in all the world's conflicts and does all it can to keep it's people down.

Look at these nonsense college protests and this "safe place" stuff. they want to destroy this country and all it stands for. ...and, unless things change quickly, they just might do it.

Bullcrap! This country has NEVER had a generation that didn't see some kind of war. What we have had is a few generations that were taught that the US is a bad place because we aren't like other countries and now, we have a President who has gone around the planet to apologize for what he thinks are bad deeds. He didn't even bother to go to the Pearl Harbor memorial and he lived in Hawaii, but he clearly wasn't raised as an American.

The generation that fought in WWI & WWII saw incredibly bad times and most just moved on. Sure, they had times when they were badly affected, but one thing I have heard many from that time say is "That's the way it was". It wasn't something Walter Cronkite said on his own, that's the way they looked at it.

That said, anyone who thinks soldiers are terrible people for fighting in wars needs to see a reunion 40 years after some of them had been shot down, held in prison camps and were believed dead until the bomb group's "search & rescue" members had located them. My eyes are leaking just from thinking about this and it happened over 30 years ago.

I think most people who think the US is only an aggressor needs to see the amount of aid we give and all of the ways we help people in other countries. Remember the Phuket tsunami, in 2004? We had at least one aircraft carrier offshore, acting as a huge hospital and supply/food delivery system. Normally, these have over 5000 crew on-board, but they can also handle a lot of patients, make fresh water and provide food for thousands, for long periods. The crew performed search & rescue and other grisly tasks- I doubt the college professors, teachers or students would have the cajones to handle that kind of scene.

The guy in the mug shot is just another symptom of America's problems.

 

[highfigh]

Well, is it any wonder about deplorable behavior when you've got an ESPN fellow strongly objecting to police singing the

Along the lines of what you said, here's what a fellow that's on ESPN said recently. I hope they fire the bastard.

In light of the fact that targeting the Police is now seen as a hate crime, I think they have every right to sing the National Anthem at sporting events.

 

[markw]

I agree with most of what you say but I have a bit of problem with this statement.

Bullcrap! This country has NEVER had a generation that didn't see some kind of war.

Technically true, but they have never had exposure to it first hand. The only exposure they got is second or third hand from the media, and we all know how impartial that is. To many it's no more than a video game.

Prior to the early 70's young men were "induced" to take part in defending our country, thereby giving them a sense of ownership and pride in this country.

Since the draft ended, there are many high and mighty "kids" (born after 1956) who had the choice to serve or not. Many chose not to, some feeling superior to those that do. Not everyone, but enough to taint the well. So, we're on the third (and fourth) generation who were not forced to take ownership (or pride) in this country. ...and many went on to teach school and university.

I was eligible for the draft when I graduated HS in '67 (height of the Viet Nam era) but chose the Air Force instead. Not being able to afford college, I didn't have much choice.

now, even then I thought Nam was a crappy move on our government. We should never engage unless we're going to go all out, kick butt, and get out. Not hang around with our hands tied to give the enemy target practice.

...and LBJ playing with troops like he was playing a chess game didn't help, either

anyhow, to get back to my original point, I think some sort of mandatory public service should be required of every person in this country. Many since then have done nothing FOR this country and yet expect everything FROM this country. Witness what's going on on our college campus nowadays.

B the way, I have nothing but the highest respect for today's youth who CHOOSE to serve this country.

 

[highfigh]

I agree with most of what you say but I have a bit of problem with this statement.

Technically true, but they have never had exposure to it first hand. The only exposure they got is second or third hand from the media, and we all know how impartial that is. To many it's no more than a video game.

Prior to the early 70's young men were "induced" to take part in defending our country, thereby giving them a sense of ownership and pride in this country.

Since the draft ended, there are many high and mighty "kids" (born after 1956) who had the choice to serve or not. Many chose not to, some feeling superior to those that do. Not everyone, but enough to taint the well. So, we're on the third (and fourth) generation who were not forced to take ownership (or pride) in this country. ...and many went on to teach school and university.

I was eligible for the draft when I graduated HS in '67 (height of the Viet Nam era) but chose the Air Force instead. Not being able to afford college, I didn't have much choice.

now, even then I thought Nam was a crappy move on our government. We should never engage unless we're going to go all out, kick butt, and get out. Not hang around with our hands tied to give the enemy target practice.

...and LBJ playing with troops like he was playing a chess game didn't help, either

anyhow, to get back to my original point, I think some sort of mandatory public service should be required of every person in this country. Many since then have done nothing FOR this country and yet expect everything FROM this country. Witness what's going on on our college campus nowadays.

B the way, I have nothing but the highest respect for today's youth who CHOOSE to serve this country.

I don't mean that everyone served, but we have never had a generation that didn't have to be involved and that means dealing with temporary/permanent loss of a parent, sibling/relative, friend, neighbor, or someone else. Then, there are the after-affects of war, which can remain dormant for decades, or just make someone want to avoid certain things for the rest of their lives. What someone goes through in war can form their actions for a long time and I worked for someone who would go into a certain 'mode" when things needed to be done. He also didn't waste a second in shoving someone out of the store after being threatened with violence, which was a bit of a surprise, but upon reflection, how bad would it have been compared to fighting in a jungle?

'Induced' is right and then, the media turned the country against the war and people treated Vietnam vets like dog crap. Well, maybe that's not true- dog crap was treated better. I saw a documentary last week and a Vietnam era vet was tearing up because some kid at an event had thanked him. He said that in the whole time since, not a single person had done that before.

I agree- if someone just can't consider killing anyone, they can work in a support role. I think a lot of people could use the discipline, fitness and gain the mental toughness that's required to live in a society of whiners if for no other reason than to help them resist the urge to puke when they see what's happening.

Thanks for your service.

 

[speakerman39]

Wow Guys. Thanks for offering various view points. Still do not understand the mindset this young man had before doing what he did. Personally, I think that stomping on our American Flag and/or doing what this man did ought to be a felony! As far as the Police showing any form of Patriotism I support it 100%! Just hope this never happens again here in my hometown. Very proud of our local police and firemen. I am very blessed!

Cheers,

Phil

 

[highfigh]

Wow Guys. Thanks for offering various view points. Still do not understand the mindset this young man had before doing what he did. Personally, I think that stomping on our American Flag and/or doing what this man did ought to be a felony! As far as the Police showing any form of Patriotism I support it 100%! Just hope this never happens again here in my hometown. Very proud of our local police and firemen. I am very blessed!

Cheers,

Phil

I think you're assuming there was some kind of thought process before acting, beyond "Hey, let's eff up these crosses!". There's no patriotism in people who don't care about the people in their own community, their own lives and the property of others. They have been raised with the idea that America hates them, will always hate them and EVERYONE who's not like them hates them, without exception.

They're making their own future and writing their own history.

BTW- if someone wants to make a statement by desecrating a flag, they should buy their own and do it on their property. Anyone who does this on public property should be prosecuted, IMO.

 

[speakerman39]

I think you're assuming there was some kind of thought process before acting, beyond "Hey, let's eff up these crosses!". There's no patriotism in people who don't care about the people in their own community, their own lives and the property of others. They have been raised with the idea that America hates them, will always hate them and EVERYONE who's not like them hates them, without exception.

They're making their own future and writing their own history.

Actually, I figured this young man was either highly intoxicated and/or drugged out. So who really knows. But, your arguments are highly valid. Never thought of it that way. I was born in 1967 and I was taught at a very young age to respect our veterans w/o question. YOU are absolutely correct in that we have treated our Vietnam vets like crap!

What we do for our vets today is simply NOT enough. We as a nation need to rethink things in that regard. I support my local police/firemen and always will. Their jobs are NOT easy and very dangerous. More should be done for them as well. But, at the end of the day this young man evidently has NOT been taught the meaning of respect. As you have mentioned, there are many more out there just like him.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[highfigh]

Used to be, even in the worst parts of town, that someone who was caught shoplifting was seen as a terrible person. Now, people take their kids to the store so the kids can hide things and learn to do it. Kids are stealing cars and running from the police, often ending in a crash that kills someone- just had another one here. Woman was killed, 5 kids were ejected and two are still in critical condition. Shootings are out of control, people are stupid and broken.

 

[Chu Gai]

I don't know if it's all of CA or just SF, but they changed the laws for shoplifting such that if it's under 1K the penalty is a citation and cops won't even come to investigate or pursue since it's not worth the expense. I don't think many store owners are pleased.

 

[shadyJ]

This thread is the largest pile of crap. Complaining that kids of today have no respect, just like old cranks have done throughout the ages. You seriously think bored kids vandalizing graves is something new? I don't remember a time when that sort of thing didn't happen. And then I read crap like, "The question is, can America be great again?" Hmm, where have I heard that foolish rhetoric before? All this griping as crime rates have been falling for the last 25 years. That says to me that kids today have better character than back in the day of many of us. Sorry to give you some perspective, but your generation isn't superior to today's generation. The USA is a better place now than it was back then. The most you can say is that your generation's music might better than today's music. But the only certain thing that can be said is music of MY generation is the greatest in the history of the world, and that is not debatable!