Bass

[KenM10759]

In my odyssey set up there is no step that tells me whether to turn my sub up or down, it just says to make sure that your volume knob is set halfway up, when I have my volume set at halfway Odyssey sets my level at -12 DB, there is also no setting in odyssey that resets everything to defaults

Then set the sub crossover at LFE (the highest, often 180-200), set the gain (volume) at the midpoint, and then go into the on-screen menu to set all the speaker gains to 0db, fronts to large, crossovers at 60 or 80hz, distances to zero. After running Audyssey, look at everything again.

You will find it often sets distances to something close but not quite (don't worry about it), and you'll see various speakers set to + a couple dB, others to - a couple. The sub setting could be crazy because XT isn't as good, can't go as low as your sub can. With all the speakers set, play music familiar to you and adjust either the gain on the sub, or (depending upon where Audyssey set it), perhaps adjust the gain up or down in the receiver settings.

 

[matt houser]

I thought that when you run odyssey it sets everything back to defaults anyway before it recalibrates everything

 

[fuzz092888]

In my odyssey set up there is no step that tells me whether to turn my sub up or down, it just says to make sure that your volume knob is set halfway up, when I have my volume set at halfway Odyssey sets my level at -12 DB, there is also no setting in odyssey that resets everything to defaults

That being the case, run it through a single time and hit calibrate and see where it sets the sub. If it's at -12, your gain is too high. +12, too low. Give it about a quarter turn in the appropriate direction.

 

[KenM10759]

I thought that when you run odyssey it sets everything back to defaults anyway before it recalibrates everything

It should. Presetting just assures that.

 

[fuzz092888]

The sub setting could be crazy because XT isn't as good, can't go as low as your sub can.

This part isn't exactly accurate. It has to do with the initial gain setting of the sub.

 

[fuzz092888]

It should. Presetting just assures that.

Hopefully he doesn't have any video, volume, or likewise settings. I know if I reset to factory defaults before I ran Audyssey it would take like an hour to get everything else set back up. Then again, I've got a lot of stuff hooked up and little tweaks here and there.

 

[KenM10759]

I'm only referring to presetting the speaker settings to a start point. Knowing where the start settings are makes it easy to see what Audyssey is doing.

NOT recommending a factory reset of the whole receiver. Yes, that would wipe out things like a streaming account.

 

[agarwalro]

One doesn't need to first manually clear out speaker and Audyssey settings before rerunning auto calibration. At the end of the run, the receiver will give the option to save most recent calibration, which in effect will overwrite old settings.

 

[agarwalro]

OP: You'll need to do the subwoofer crawl, http://www.audioholics.com/home-theater-connection/crawling-for-bass-subwoofer-placement

Also, did you say movies give you good bass, but not Direct mode? In the later case, with 2 channel music, the receiver will not apply bass management, so the subwoofer will not play even if there is content below the selected crossover frequency.

 

[KenM10759]

One doesn't need to first manually clear out speaker and Audyssey settings before rerunning auto calibration. At the end of the run, the receiver will give the option to save most recent calibration, which in effect will overwrite old settings.

Not really. The Audyssey system emits a given test tone and listens, then records a value. When it's done with as many speakers as you have and at as many locations as it's asked for tests, it gives you yes/no of saving or not. On the systems I've run Audyssey, you can't see what it is about to save nor go back and look at current settings before making the choice. This is why I suggest manually setting everything to a baseline zero before starting. At least you'll know how much change Audyssey injected to the process.

 

[speakerman39]

Okay I went a read the manual to my Marantz SR6009 avr. Mine has MultiEQ XT. There is NO option to set the volume knob of my sub before running Audyssey. If I set the volume knob to the 12:00 position as instructed in the Hsu manual, then Audyssey sets the level to -12 db. So, I went into the manual settings to run a test tone through the sub and turned the gain knob until I read 75 db on my SPL meter. I can't even hardly hear it, but the SPL meter did. Then, I ran Audyssey and now the level is set to -3.5 db. The distances/levels of the rest of my speakers seem to be very accurate. But since I have (2) subs, should I just use a Y-adapter and connect both subs from only (1) of my sub outs on my avr? Because, I am not sure I am hearing both subs when I run Audyssey. Perhaps, it would work better using a Y-adapter and only (1) of my sub outs, no?

Cheers,

Phil

 

[fuzz092888]

Not really. The Audyssey system emits a given test tone and listens, then records a value. When it's done with as many speakers as you have and at as many locations as it's asked for tests, it gives you yes/no of saving or not. On the systems I've run Audyssey, you can't see what it is about to save nor go back and look at current settings before making the choice. This is why I suggest manually setting everything to a baseline zero before starting. At least you'll know how much change Audyssey injected to the process.

How will this tell you what Audyssey has injected?

 

[fuzz092888]

Okay I went a read the manual to my Marantz SR6009 avr. Mine has MultiEQ XT. There is NO option to set the volume knob of my sub before running Audyssey. If I set the volume knob to the 12:00 position as instructed in the Hsu manual, then Audyssey sets the level to -12 db. So, I went into the manual settings to run a test tone through the sub and turned the gain knob until I read 75 db on my SPL meter. I can't even hardly hear it, but the SPL meter did. Then, I ran Audyssey and now the level is set to -3.5 db. The distances/levels of the rest of my speakers seem to be very accurate. But since I have (2) subs, should I just use a Y-adapter and connect both subs from only (1) of my sub out on my avr? Because, I am not sure I am hearing both subs when I run Audyssey. Perhaps, it would work better using a Y-adapter and only (1) of my sub outs, no?

Cheers,

Phil

If the sub has 2 sub outs, I would use them. It's easy to tell if both subs are playing. If you go to the speaker level section of the menu it will have a selection for both subs to play the pink noise.

 

[KenM10759]

How will this tell you what Audyssey has injected?

Simple. When you have set speaker levels and distances to zero before starting and then run Audyssey and save it, you can go back at look at the new settings that Audyssey put there. You know you started with all zeros or nulls.

 

[speakerman39]

If the sub has 2 sub outs, I would use them. It's easy to tell if both subs are playing. If you go to the speaker level section of the menu it will have a selection for both subs to play the pink noise.

Do you mean my avr? Mine has dual sub outs, but Audyssey does NOT show (2) separate subs on the speaker level section. That is what has been confusing me all along Fuzz. Is my avr faulty? Will mess with it more tomorrow. Can't tonight as I reside in a small apartment. Might bother my neighbors. By using only (1) sub out Audyssey may look at both subs as one. The manual does NOT go into much detail about using dual subs.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[fuzz092888]

Simple. When you have set speaker levels and distances to zero before starting and then run Audyssey and save it, you can go back at look at the new settings that Audyssey put there. You know you started with all zeros or nulls.

Without knowing the frequency response and without seeing the actual frequency response after Audyssey is applied?

What nulls?

 

[KenM10759]

Frequency response remains a mystery before and after, I'm afraid. I think the only way to know that is with measuring equipment. Oh well, you can't have everything.

 

[fuzz092888]

Do you mean my avr? Mine has dual sub outs, but Audyssey does NOT show (2) separate subs on the speaker level section. That is what has been confusing me all along Fuzz. Is my avr faulty? Will mess with it more tomorrow. Can't tonight as I reside in a small apartment. Might bother my neighbors. By using only (1) sub out Audyssey may look at both subs as one. The manual does NOT go into much detail about using dual subs.

Cheers,

Phil

If your settings don't allow for dual subs, then it is already seeing both as one sub with the dual sub outs.

 

[fuzz092888]

Frequency response remains a mystery before and after, I'm afraid. I think the only way to know that is with measuring equipment. Oh well, you can't have everything.

But I'm still confused as to what exactly this is telling you? Distance is setting the delay. Levels is setting the speakers to whatever db Audyssey supplies. I'm just not sure what useful information this provides.

I've measured before and after running Audyssey quite a few times and for a few different pairs of speakers and with different flavors of Audyssey and with different units. It's pretty consistent and SubEQ is definitely worth the money for an XT32 receiver IMO. Especially for dual subs.

 

[agarwalro]

I'm with fuzz. The processing applied by Audyssey is completely different from distance, level and crossover settings. This is evident from the Audyssey being disabled without losing the rest.

Also, it goes beyond linear (frequency response) correction. Audyssey tries to anticipate room modes and tries to address them. This is why different runs can yield wildly different results if the mic locations are not constant across them.