Bass

[KenM10759]

I have never done any level matching before running Audyssey because that system itself sets levels.

 

[fuzz092888]

I have the Danon x3100

Go to the main menu. Then speakers, then manual setup, then levels and test tone start. This is what you could use to level match you speakers. This is an unnecessary step if running Audyssey.

 

[fuzz092888]

I have never done any level matching before running Audyssey because that system itself sets levels.

My bad, I mixed up you and speakerman.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I usually listen in regular stereo mode or regular direct mode, when I am watching movies the LFE effects do seem to be there with the really low base, it very well could be that a majority of the base that's missing is the mid range base, it seems like when I use Odyssey set up it wants to drop the level of my sub way down and if I turn the level up on the sub Odyssey wants to drop the level all the way down to -12 DB

I would read the receiver manual as to how to get the LFE channel to turn on in stereo mode.
On the Onky receiver you have to select Double Bass so all the bass from all channels, regardless of large/small speaker selection, bass will also go to the LFE channel.
Then, as mentioned not a lot of music have good bass, let alone deep, low frequency content.

 

[fuzz092888]

I have never done any level matching before running Audyssey because that system itself sets levels.

Also, if you read the rest of that post, you would see that what was being suggested was that setting the crossover level prior to running audyssey had an effect on audyssey, which is why I said what I said.

 

[matt houser]

Audyssey does this for you when you run the autocal.



The sub trim level is what it is. If yours was set to -12 it means the gain on your sub was probably too high and you didn't adjust it according to what Audssey was saying. Saying that it should be this or that for the trim level is inaccurate.



What SPL meter did you use? Did you adjust the sub gain according to what Audyssey was telling you during one of the first steps of the auto cal?

All that I am able to use for calibration is Odyssey as I have tried every store in Redding California and no one carries an SPL meter, I have tried the meters on the iPhone but they seem to be very in accurate especially when measuring the sub

 

[fuzz092888]

I would read the receiver manual as to how to get the LFE channel to turn on in stereo mode.
On the Onky receiver you have to select Double Bass so all the bass from all channels, regardless of large/small speaker selection, bass will also go to the LFE channel.
Then, as mentioned not a lot of music have good bass, let alone deep, low frequency content.

There is no LFE channel in music. The LFE channel is a separate channel present in movies only.

 

[speakerman39]

Audyssey does this for you when you run the autocal.



The sub trim level is what it is. If yours was set to -12 it means the gain on your sub was probably too high and you didn't adjust it according to what Audssey was saying. Saying that it should be this or that for the trim level is inaccurate.



What SPL meter did you use? Did you adjust the sub gain according to what Audyssey was telling you during one of the first steps of the auto cal?

The Hsu manual recommends setting the volume gain knob to the half position prior to running Audyssey. At first, I just ran Audyssey and my sub was set to -12.5db. So, I later used my Radio Shack SPL meter to set the gain know until it read 75 db which was a tad above the 9:00 position. Then, I reran Audyssey and the sub was set to -3.5 db. I also went back in a set everything to small with an 80 Hz crossover setting. Checked all of my distances/levels and it sounds real good. Just a pain taking all 8 measurements each time.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[fuzz092888]

All that I am able to use for calibration is Odyssey as I have tried every store in Redding California and no one carries an SPL meter, I have tried the meters on the iPhone but they seem to be very in accurate especially when measuring the sub

You don't need an SPL meter. Ignore the iphone SPL meters. Just follow the on screen Audyssey directions and if it tells you to turn your sub up or down, adjust the level with the knob on the back of the sub accordingly.

 

[fuzz092888]

The Hsu manual recommends setting the volume gain knob to the half position prior to running Audyssey.

You can, it doens't have to be. The reason this is recommended is so that Audyssey doesn't max out or min out trying to get the sub where it needs to be. That being said, unless I'm mistaken Audyssey asks you to adjust the sub level as one of the first steps. I know it does with XT32 and I believe does with XT as well.

At first, I just ran Audyssey and my sub was set to -12.5db.

Audyssey only goes to -12 AFAIK. This also means that your gain was way too high.

So, I later used my Radio Shack SPL meter to set the gain know until it read 75 db which was a tab above the 9:00 position. Then, I reran Audyssey and the sub was set to -3.5 db.

This worked because now Audyssey isn't running out of level adjustment trying to get it set to the proper level. Like the Hsu manual states, simply setting the gain to about halfway is more than enough, no SPL meter required.

I also went back in a set everything to small with an 80 Hz crossover setting. Checked all of my distances/levels and it sounds real good. Just a pain taking all 8 measurements each time.

Cheers,

Phil

If you think that's a pain then never try and with Antimode. Those are obnoxious.

 

[KenM10759]

I don't think you need an SPL meter, or shouldn't need one as Audyssey will get you really close if the procedure is followed correctly. With my system I run it, then listen to a variety of music, then go back and make minor tweeks. When you change what Audessey has set (and you have saved), an asterisk appears next to the value if it's not the same as Audyssey. This way if you change too much or too many things you can always go back and change them back to Audyssey's starting point, evident if all the asterisks are gone.

 

[speakerman39]

OK so I'm not quite sure what you mean by level matching before running Odyssey, when I run the pink noise from my receiver I'm not sure what to have the volume set on from the receiver, i'm assuming that you mean the volume knob on the back of the sub needs to be set to 75db

I turn the gain/volume know of the sub up until my SPL meter reads 75 db. For my Hsu sub, it is a tad over the 9:00 position. I take my readings from the listening position. Then, I run Audyssey. When I did it that way my sub level was set to -3.5. For some reason Audyssey sets my Polk RTi6's to large with a crossover of 40 hz. So, I go back in a set everything to small that automatically sets the crossover to 80 Hz. The distances and levels all seem to be accurate. Sounds very good.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[sterling shoote]

Much can depend upon the music source. If you are listening to something recorded without deep bass, it won't be there with or without a subwoofer.

Plenty of bass test material out there. Have you tried any of it?

The mode you're listening in with the receiver matters too. Putting in pure direct shuts off any signal to the sub, sending it all the L-R mains.

Op,

I think KenM knows which hog ate the cabbage. Download Sosumi & Hardino's version of Higher Love - single. This house/dance cover of Steve Windwood's Higher Love is full of bass and plenty of low level bass that a sub will certainly dramatize. Another piece is Kayne West's Love Lockdown. The bass in that tune will reveal the deepest, lowest bass you have ever heard. If you can't get a satisfying sense of bass with either of these recordings that causes folks to say WOW! you might want to rethink or adjust your system.

 

[speakerman39]

That receiver has a microphone and a good Audyssey setup. No need to be running pink noise. You should reset the receiver to defaults, set the gain on the sub to midpoint, the crossover to LFE (highest setting) and just follow instructions for the receiver step-by-step.

Only after doing that should you check with the Audyssey settings are, and do that before you make any other adjustments.

Ken when I set the volume knob to half way on my Hsu sub, Audyssey set the level to -12.5db. That is much too low. So, I was advised to use pink noise to set the volume knob at the point that I read 75 db on my SPL meter at my listening position. When I did and reran Audyssey everything sounded much better once I set my fronts/center to small. Very happy with what I hear so far.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[speakerman39]

Audyssey on the Denon AVR1912 I had often set crossover levels and speaker type on my system. After calibration I'd check to see what it set, and bookshelf speakers would be set to large with a 40hz crossover point. I'd set them back to large and crossover at 80hz and that sounded 10x better.

Ken Audyssey always sets my Polk RTi6's to large with a 40 Hz crossover. So, I set them back to small with an 80 Hz crossover. The same for my CSi5 center. Sounds so much better that way to me. So, I can relate to what you are saying.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[matt houser]

You don't need an SPL meter. Ignore the iphone SPL meters. Just follow the on screen Audyssey directions and if it tells you to turn your sub up or down, adjust the level with the knob on the back of the sub accordingly.

In my odyssey set up there is no step that tells me whether to turn my sub up or down, it just says to make sure that your volume knob is set halfway up, when I have my volume set at halfway Odyssey sets my level at -12 DB, there is also no setting in odyssey that resets everything to defaults

 

[speakerman39]

You can, it doens't have to be. The reason this is recommended is so that Audyssey doesn't max out or min out trying to get the sub where it needs to be. That being said, unless I'm mistaken Audyssey asks you to adjust the sub level as one of the first steps. I know it does with XT32 and I believe does with XT as well.



Audyssey only goes to -12 AFAIK. This also means that your gain was way too high.



This worked because now Audyssey isn't running out of level adjustment trying to get it set to the proper level. Like the Hsu manual states, simply setting the gain to about halfway is more than enough, no SPL meter required.



If you think that's a pain then never try and with Antimode. Those are obnoxious.

Fuzz, mine does not do that. It just walks me through the process. I do have XT. I will run again tomorrow and double check myself. Too much going to do it right now. Thought it said -12.5 db, but it may have said -12 db. Either way, the gain was set too high as the Hsu manual recommends.

I am a ways off to worry about the anti-mode. Sounds like it is going to be a lot of fun too...LOL!!!!!

Cheers,

Phil

 

[speakerman39]

In my odyssey set up there is no step that tells me whether to turn my sub up or down, it just says to make sure that your volume knob is set halfway up, when I have my volume set at halfway Odyssey sets my level at -12 DB, there is also no setting in odyssey that resets everything to defaults

That is exactly what it does here for me. Set the volume knob on your sub to about the 9:00 position before running Audyssey. Try that and see what happens. Mine is just a tad past the 9:00 position. Maybe that will help.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[sterling shoote]

BTW, regarding my earlier post on suggested music which has some really low bass output, listening to this music at high levels initially destroyed the foam surrounds on my 12 inch woofers and 15 inch subwoofer. Also, I discovered the 300 watts being fed to my sub was not enough to prevent clipping, which with a sub causes a sledgehammer kind of pop. After refoaming and putting 560 watts to my sub all is well. At any rate, don't go overboard with volume on the tunes I suggested you audition.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Audyssey itself did nothing for me.

But Audyssey Dynamic EQ improved the subwoofer significantly for me.